<div><div dir="auto">True, but I don’t see the relevance.</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:52 PM Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es">Paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-9165836455411905342WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Greg,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regarding Statute or Treaty, this is jurisdictionally based. Statutes are not global by definition. Treaties are not signed by all and in many cases allow for objections by individual nation states.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-9165836455411905342WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 2, 2019 at 6:47 PM<br><b>To: </b>claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposal re Q8.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">"Marks protected by statute or treaty" is meant to cover the relatively limited instance where the rights to a specified mark are established in a statute or treaty and not (initially, at least) in a trademark office. The key is that the specific mark must be stated in the statute or treaty itself and not in a list or registry established by the statute or treaty, and that it must be a "mark" (trademark, service mark, certification mark or collective mark).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This was never meant to create trademark rights for non-trademarks. 6ter is a textbook example of what this provision does <u>not</u> cover. GIs as a general class is another example of what this provision does <u>not</u> cover.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If we need to we can go back to the original deliberations that produced this category.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Right now, it's in danger of becoming a runaway train.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Unfortunately, I have a business meeting in conflict with today's call and my ability to attend will be very limited at best. I would really, really, really like to put this genie back in the bottle.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It may (or may not) be desirable to offer Sunrise and Claims protection to national emblems or geographic indications or book titles or surnames or culturally significant words or common-law marks or works of art. But this is not the way to get there.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:46 AM claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Paul T., all,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I like how you think - this is an original/creative idea.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">It would appear to work well for U.S, but I’m unclear on status re every jurisdiction worldwide. Do we know whether every jurisdiction handles marks protected by statute or treaty in the same way as the PTO in the States, or may there be some exceptions?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I agree with your point about the heavy lifting being done elsewhere, i.e. by staff or by the Implementation Recommendation Team (IRT) that will follow this PDP. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">In fact, I was thinking along the same lines (on the heavy lifting point) which led me to rely upon Mary’s suggested text for 3.2.3 (which she included in an email to the full WG a few weeks ago).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Other solutions include keeping the existing text for 3.2.3 (as it currently appears in the AGB) or the text that Mary drafted (as contained in my proposal), with an added ‘disclaimer’ - “marks that constitute GIs or Appellations of Origin do not qualify under 3.2.3” or “marks that constitute GIs or Appellations of Origin do not qualify under this provision”. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">We can add that language in 3.2.3 itself, or in the Section that is below 3.2.1-3.2.4 in the AGB. I say this because if you look in the AGB, directly below 3.2.1-3.2.4, there are a set of provisions or rules that apply to the system overall. So we can add the ‘disclaimer’ there and not worry so much about the exact wording in 3.2.3, because that Section is applicable and governing. In both proposals, we have made modifications to clarify or change some provisions in this Section, so we wouldn’t be breaking any new ground.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">In my personal view, this latter approach - of adding the disclaimer accomplishes the objective on Q#8.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Claudio<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><br>On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Perhaps the heavy lifting could be done elsewhere?<br><br>3.2.3 Any word mark notified to a national trademark office as protected by a statute or treaty in effect at the time the mark is submitted to the Clearinghouse for inclusion<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 2:14 AM Tushnet, Rebecca <<a href="mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu" target="_blank">rtushnet@law.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">In GI-world, they distinguish between levels of GI-ness. Some geographic terms merely identify the geographic "source" of a product, while others indicate more in the way of specific qualities. So "source indicator" is in fact widely used to describe GIs (though many GIs are said to be source-plus-some-other-quality). Some examples<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href="https://www.origin-gi.com/images/stories/PDFs/English/E-Library/geographical_indications.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.origin-gi.com/images/stories/PDFs/English/E-Library/geographical_indications.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href="https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/web/offices/dcom/olia/globalip/pdf/gi_system.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/web/offices/dcom/olia/globalip/pdf/gi_system.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;min-width:424px"><table border="1" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.18%;margin-left:35.6pt;border:solid #c8c8c8 1.0pt"><tbody><tr><td width="99%" valign="top" style="width:99.36%;border:none;padding:9.0pt 27.0pt 9.0pt 9.0pt"><div style="margin-right:6.0pt;margin-bottom:9.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light""><a href="https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/web/offices/dcom/olia/globalip/pdf/gi_system.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none">Geographical Indication Protection in the United States United States Patent and Trademark Office - uspto.gov</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div style="margin-right:6.0pt;margin-bottom:9.0pt;max-height:100px;overflow:hidden"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI";color:#666666">Geographical Indication Protection in the United States United States Patent and Trademark Office What Are “Geographical Indications”? “Geographical indications” (“GIs”) are defined at Article 22(1) of the World Trade<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI";color:#a6a6a6"><a href="http://www.uspto.gov" target="_blank">www.uspto.gov</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Rebecca Tushnet<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School<br>703 593 6759 <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:center"><hr size="0" width="100%" align="center"></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Michael Graham (ELCA) <<a href="mailto:migraham@expediagroup.com" target="_blank">migraham@expediagroup.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 1, 2019 8:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tushnet, Rebecca <<a href="mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu" target="_blank">rtushnet@law.harvard.edu</a>>; claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>>; Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposal re Q8.</span> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in">Wondering out loud whether GIs are necessarily “source identifiers”. My understanding is that they are identifiers of particular geographic locations, whereas trademarks are source identifiers. GIs may be source identifiers, but to the extent they are then they would be considered trademarks. 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We can engage in special pleading against GIs and just carve them out, but I admit that leaves me a bit sour. I also would note that the relevant statutes I've seen don't use the words "source identifier" either, so we are still shuffling off the interpretive weight to Deloitte. (E.g., although the Red Cross also has TM registrations, the Red Cross US statute that has been mentioned in this discussion uses the word "use" to define one prohibited act, and </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">"</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">wears or displays ... for the fraudulent purpose of inducing the belief that he is a member of or an agent for the American National Red Cross" to define the other prohibited act.) </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">For these reasons, I have come around to not wanting to add "source identifier" to the definition--I don't think it actually solves the problem and it might make things even less clear. Other than that, I do think we have gotten a lot closer.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Rebecca Tushnet</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School<br>703 593 6759 </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-left:.5in;text-align:center"><hr size="0" width="100%" align="center"></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Tushnet, Rebecca <<a href="mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu" target="_blank">rtushnet@law.harvard.edu</a>>; gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposal re Q8.</span> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue">Paul,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue">I agree with you; and you have spotted one of the areas of divergence between my proposal and Rebecca's. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue">My proposal includes alternative language on this provision - that I believe addresses your point, but I am interested in your perspective.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue">Best regards,<br>Claudio</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in">On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 4:00 PM Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><div><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">Rebecca, I believe in 3.2.3 you should not add the words "as trademarks" as the marks concerned are not trademarks. For example once such 6ter marks are communicated to the USPTO and are accepted it is not possible for any organization to register a trademark containing the mark and importantly that includes the originating entity itself. Instead an 89 serial is created so the mark turns up in an examining attorney’s search etc.</span><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in">Best regards, Paul<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p style="margin-left:.5in"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in">On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 8:04 PM Tushnet, Rebecca <<a href="mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu" target="_blank">rtushnet@law.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">This is the same text but with the subject line proper. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Rebecca Tushnet</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School<br>703 593 6759 </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><p style="margin-left:.5in">_______________________________________________<br>GNSO-RPM-WG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GNSO-RPM-WG@icann.org" target="_blank">GNSO-RPM-WG@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_listinfo_gnso-2Drpm-2Dwg&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=zNkRTU6mF0Z0D3-x2yYFYqRN-laL_rrDxkm1t3nS1D0&s=sIWgLf6tJOr4bVrRl2Kq-iflUaAJ5xM7solSCPqTSEM&e=" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=zNkRTU6mF0Z0D3-x2yYFYqRN-laL_rrDxkm1t3nS1D0&s=ACGGg3oDhOg63w3gCmDwRhR4IOgKM68xVpS38jPW6Ek&e=" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_tos&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=zNkRTU6mF0Z0D3-x2yYFYqRN-laL_rrDxkm1t3nS1D0&s=FFCUiGsakbAYTolDM5UiMxZBkB4wC55n8jDUnUzd3Uk&e=" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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