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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-GB">Rebecca, you asked for additional wording which I provided
a couple of days later <a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2019-October/003981.html">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2019-October/003981.html</a></span></p>
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<b>“… <i>With
the above in mind Rebecca, would the following additional subsection be
acceptable to your proposal?<br>
<br>
3.2.3 (b)* Word marks of treaty organizations protected under 6ter of the Paris Convention and
notified to a national trademark office<br>
<br>
[*Again section numbering and ordering can be tidied later but the new subsection
should be one that flows to 7.1 & 7.2 and the RPMs.]”<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-GB">Unfortunately I didn’t see a reply.</span></p>
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:51 PM Tushnet, Rebecca <<a href="mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu">rtushnet@law.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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It was my understanding, as I expressed on the call, that unanimity was not required for a consensus proposal. I understand Paul’s position and have responded on list in detail—to summarize, GIs often get notified to TM offices through a similar process to
that described for IGOs, so language that lets the latter in for Notice and Claims will also let the former in unless there is a “notwithstanding” clause in the definition, which I don’t much like. But I thought we had decided to move forward.
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<div>Rebecca Tushnet</div>
<div>Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School</div>
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Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. </div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 16, 2019, at 5:21 PM, claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Paul,
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<div>It looks like we are including some of the open issues in the Initial Report, seeking public comment, and then concluding work on them after we review the public comments.</div>
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<div>That’s the sense I’m getting - Julie or Co-Chairs, please correct me if I am mistaken.<br>
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri" lang="EN-GB">Rebecca, last week you asked me for suggested wording to improve your proposal an I suggested an amendment with detailed reasoning, unfortunately I didn’t see a reply.<br>
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It is not clear to me under which subsection a mark like UNHCR would enter the TMCH under your proposal please can you explain under which section it would be placed and the reasoning behind it,<br>
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Many thanks,<span> </span>Paul</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:54 PM claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I missed the first ten minutes of the call. It’s not clear to me what final language was settled upon, can someone clarify this?
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<div>Thanks <br>
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<div>Best regards,
<div>Claudio</div>
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On Wednesday, October 16, 2019, Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Correct Rebecca. Per the WG agreement on the call today, this item is closed.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Julie<br>
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On 10/16/19, 3:41 PM, "GNSO-RPM-WG on behalf of Tushnet, Rebecca" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of
<a href="mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu" target="_blank">rtushnet@law.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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My understanding was that this was closed per our discussion on the call. Can Chairs or staff provide guidance? Claudio’s message came in during the call for me.
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Rebecca Tushnet<br>
Frank Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law School<br>
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Sent from my phone. Apologies for terseness/typos. <br>
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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:43 PM, Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Claudio, Thank you for the archive link. Under Rebecca’s and your<br>
> proposal, including these latest thoughts on section 3.2.4, which<br>
> section do you feel a mark like UNHCR would be entered in under the<br>
> proposal/recommendation?<br>
> <br>
>> On 10/16/19, claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> All,<br>
>> <br>
>> I am very happy that ICANN is transparent and transcribes is meetings,<br>
>> which is particularly essential in this fluid and complex environment.<br>
>> <br>
>> Since I was involved in the ICANN committee that developed the proposal for<br>
>> the Trademark Clearinghouse, which was called the IP Clearinghouse, I have<br>
>> known from the start that the concept of allowing other forms of IP in the<br>
>> Clearinghouse was always part of the concept, because there was always<br>
>> broad agreement that the ICANN-imposed Mandatory RPMs, were the ceiling and<br>
>> not the floor.<br>
>> <br>
>> The new gTLD Registry controls the allocation of all domain names within<br>
>> its TLD, and can therefore establish voluntary mechanisms, consistent with<br>
>> local laws, to protect consumers from confusion and harm from malicious<br>
>> actors.<br>
>> <br>
>> Since the Clearinghouse database is just an administrative tool to support<br>
>> the implementation of these mechanisms, both mandatory and voluntary, there<br>
>> was never a reason to exclude certain forms of IP in the Clearinghouse for<br>
>> the sole purpose of supporting the voluntary RPMS that a specific Registry<br>
>> may adopt.<br>
>> <br>
>> We have reached consensus on this point, in particular through the<br>
>> ancillary database concept, but have gotten snagged on the wording of<br>
>> particular provisions, including 3.2.3 and 3.2.4<br>
>> <br>
>> Section 3.2.4 currently states: "Other marks that constitute intellectual<br>
>> property" - and this category: 3.2.4 - is NOT for the mandatory Sunrise or<br>
>> Claims period, but for voluntary registry-specific RPMs.<br>
>> <br>
>> I located the transcript from the ICANN meeting when the Applicant<br>
>> Guidebook was essentially completed; it had reach the near final stage.<br>
>> <br>
>> 3.2.4 was specifically discussing during this meeting; the confusion with<br>
>> the language was identified (and it was even predicted that it was going to<br>
>> cause confusion) and ICANN staff and General Counsel agreed that 3.2.4<br>
>> extended to other forms of IP beyond trademarks. In other words, we have<br>
>> been confused on this clause simply because of imprecise drafting of this<br>
>> provision.<br>
>> <br>
>> Please see the transcript here: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__archive.icann.org_en_&d=DwIGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=adDIs0WEx_lLwFfrsdovxTYY8GkRHo5ibc8SR3Npdh8&m=dMQQGBWfWo48zFbvOyLacmM0-clVWIm-GBUZA-g1PQ0&s=JxrlTJQ81REjQU12K21t83qqhIWNXo70RXqH8jzRNtQ&e=" target="_blank">
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>> meetings/singapore2011/bitcache/Trademark%20Clearinghouse%20Implementation%20Plan-vid=26005&disposition=attachment&op=download.txt<br>
>> <br>
>> I am quoting the relevant section:<br>
>> <br>
>> "J. Scott Evans: Another comment to Amy. Amy, I think that the guidebook's<br>
>> use of "other marks" confusing, and that needs to be changed to "other<br>
>> indicia," because we're already talking about marks in trademarks, and if<br>
>> you just make that<br>
>> one change, because I think the idea is there are other indicia other than<br>
>> trademarks that might be protected by the local registry, and we just need<br>
>> to make that clear. Because I think there's some confusion, well, if<br>
>> trademarks are here, what are other marks.<br>
>> <br>
>>>> AMY STATHOS: Right. And with respect to the assignment issue, sometimes<br>
>> the database that has the assignment documents may be different than the<br>
>> actual database that has the actual registration, so looks like it's<br>
>> something that --<br>
>> <br>
>> -------<br>
>> <br>
>> So 3.2.4. was always intended to allow other forms of IP to be recorded in<br>
>> the main TMCH database for implementation of voluntary Registry-specific<br>
>> voluntary RPMs. I hope this closes the debate on 3.2.4. and here is my<br>
>> proposed modification to bring clarity to its meaning:<br>
>> <br>
>> "3.2.4 Other Signs or Indicia that constitute intellectual property"<br>
>> <br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>> Claudio<br>
>> <br>
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