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<p>The Trademark Clearinghouse database -- as negotiated by the GNSO
Council appointed group and approved unanimously by the GNSO
Council and ICANN Board -- was *not* secret or confidential. It's
openness was discussed, debated and agreed to as a monitoring and
oversight mechanism, and additionally because so much of what was
already within the TMCH would be public materials -- registered
trademarks themselves.</p>
<p><br>
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<p>Kathy (with my hat as member of the STI)</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/23/2019 10:52 AM, Marie Pattullo
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,
Julie. I’m about to go into a call so apologies for the hit
& run response, but initial thoughts inline:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Para
one:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
Working Group understands that, on the one hand, trademark
owners may register trademarks and enter them into the
Trademark Clearinghouse as part of a business-confidential
strategy, including for new products yet to enter the
market.
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Access
to the database would allow misuse, including by bad actors
and/or competitors.
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">On
the other hand, some Working Group members have noted
<span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">that it
was not clear</span>, during the lead up to the launch of
the 2012 New gTLD Program, that the Trademark Clearinghouse
database was intended to be a non-publicly-accessible,
confidential database.
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
wasn’t involved then, but I thought Claudio said that it was
always intended to be confidential? I’ve never seen
reference to it being considered as being an open resources.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> In
addition, some Working Group members expressed concern that
potential registrants may benefit from knowing what marks
are already in the Trademark Clearinghouse database prior to
attempting a registration, especially in view of the
likelihood (based on discussions the Working Group has held
with the current Trademark Clearinghouse validator) that
some marks may consist of generic words which potential
registrants may legitimately wish to use as a domain name. </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If
it’s a legitimate use, then brand holders won’t stop them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
Working Group agrees in principle that an audit of the
Trademark Clearinghouse database can be beneficial.
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
still have reservations about this – I don’t think the
potential harm, based on fact, is an equal balance for the
potential gain, based on supposition.
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Accordingly,
the Working Group recommends that, in order to inform the
next review of the Trademark Clearinghouse, a small group of
community volunteers be formed that will have limited,
specifically-defined, confidential access to the Trademark
Clearinghouse database, for the sole purpose of working with
ICANN Org and any appointed third party examiner on such
review. The scope of such confidential access is to be
limited to oversight purposes only and must not violate any
terms of confidentiality that apply to trademark owners
whose marks are already in the Trademark Clearinghouse
database at that time.
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Should
this be take forward, any trademark owners that have chosen
to enter their trademarks in the Trademark Clearinghouse
must first be given time to consider if they wish to remove
them, and to do so, before they are made known to any such
community members, with appropriate safeguards considered
for the effect that this may have on such trademark owners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> GNSO-RPM-WG
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tushnet, Rebecca<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 23, 2019 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Julie Hedlund
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] New Q15 Proposal re:
Actions & Notes: RPM PDP WG Meeting 16 October 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I
asked this in the meeting but didn't directly address it
to Staff: Analysis Group reported on the top ten queried
terms in the TMCH. Is it Staff's understanding that this
disclosure by AG breached a confidentiality duty? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The
description "n</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#201F1E;background:white">on-publicly-accessible,
confidential database" is not accurate, given that members
of the public with no duties of confidentiality can find
out on a term-by-term basis by attempting to register. I
would suggest something like "database that is
inaccessible to the public except through individual
registration attempts."</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">More
generally, I think the proposal needs to state ICANN's
understanding of the current rule. Without a clear
statement of the current rule, I don't think this audit
proposal is understandable--and to the extent it suggests
that disclosing anything, including a top ten list, is a
violation of confidentiality, that seems like a worsening
of the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Rebecca
Tushnet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Frank
Stanton Professor of First Amendment Law, Harvard Law
School<br>
703 593 6759 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
GNSO-RPM-WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Julie Hedlund <<a
href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 23, 2019 9:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a> <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GNSO-RPM-WG] New Q15 Proposal re: Actions
& Notes: RPM PDP WG Meeting 16 October 2019</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear WG members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Per the action item
below to draft a new Q15 proposal relating to the
discussion during the meeting on 16 October, staff
submits for your consideration the following suggested
text. We very much look forward to working with you on
further revisions as needed, as well as to the
discussion on today’s call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">Mary, Ariel, and
Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><u><span lang="EN-US">Staff-suggested
draft (based on Working Group discussions and
suggestions made on the Working Group call of 16
October)</span></u><span lang="EN-US">:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">The Working Group
understands that, on the one hand, trademark owners may
register trademarks and enter them into the Trademark
Clearinghouse as part of a business-confidential
strategy, including for new products yet to enter the
market. On the other hand, some Working Group members
have noted that it was not clear, during the lead up to
the launch of the 2012 New gTLD Program, that the
Trademark Clearinghouse database was intended to be a
non-publicly-accessible, confidential database. In
addition, some Working Group members expressed concern
that potential registrants may benefit from knowing what
marks are already in the Trademark Clearinghouse
database prior to attempting a registration, especially
in view of the likelihood (based on discussions the
Working Group has held with the current Trademark
Clearinghouse validator) that some marks may consist of
generic words which potential registrants may
legitimately wish to use as a domain name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US">The Working Group
agrees in principle that an audit of the Trademark
Clearinghouse database can be beneficial. Accordingly,
the Working Group recommends that, in order to inform
the next review of the Trademark Clearinghouse, a small
group of community volunteers be formed that will have
limited, specifically-defined, confidential access to
the Trademark Clearinghouse database, for the sole
purpose of working with ICANN Org and any appointed
third party examiner on such review. The scope of such
confidential access is to be limited to oversight
purposes only and must not violate any terms of
confidentiality that apply to trademark owners whose
marks are already in the Trademark Clearinghouse
database at that time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">GNSO-RPM-WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Julie Hedlund <<a
href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 16, 2019 at 3:27 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[GNSO-RPM-WG] Actions & Notes:
RPM PDP WG Meeting 16 October 2019</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Dear
All,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"
style="font-variant-caps:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"
style="font-variant-caps:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Please see below the
action items captured by staff from the<span
class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
lang="EN-US">RPM PDP Working Group<span
style="color:black"> call held on</span> 16 October
2019 at 17:00 UTC<span style="color:black">. Staff </span>will
post<span style="color:black"> these to the wiki
space. <b><i>Please note that these
</i></b></span><b><i>are<span style="color:black">
high-level notes and are not meant as a substitute
for the recording</span>, chat room, or transcript</i></b><i><span
style="color:black">.</span></i><span
style="color:black"> The recording, Zoom chat,</span>
transcript<span style="color:black"> and attendance
records are posted on the wiki<span
class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>at</span>:
<a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_RARPMRIAGPWG_2019-2D10-2D16-2BReview-2Bof-2Ball-2BRights-2BProtection-2BMechanisms-2B-2528RPMs-2529-2Bin-2Ball-2BgTLDs-2BPDP-2BWG&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=GU7oC_LaBo7KvH3LCTYNBb2Z62O2_gB7PePpFA2YNvE&s=Lebe-G6v-muk6fUa-l7fXJ95Vfc50wtSu3jY53kDW2k&e="
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Best
Regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"
style="font-variant-caps:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px"><span
lang="EN-US">Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"
style="font-variant-caps:normal;orphans:auto;text-align:start;widows:auto;word-spacing:0px"><span
lang="EN-US">Julie Hedlund, Policy Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">==</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">NOTES &
ACTION ITEMS</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">Actions:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Open and
Deferred TMCH Questions:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><u><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">Q7 Design Marks</span></u><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">: ACTION: WG agrees to
publish Kleiman/Muscovitch and Shatan proposals in the
Initial Report for Public Comment.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><u><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">Q8 GIs: ACTION</span></u><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">: WG agrees to publish
Tushnet proposal in the Initial Report for Public
Comment.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><u><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">Q12</span></u><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">: ACTION: Staff will work with Maxim to
revise the proposal to include context and background,
and make it more formal. Make it clear that this is an
implementation recommendation, not policy. Publish to
the WG email list for review.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><u><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">Q15</span></u><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">: ACTIONS: 1) WG agrees to publish
Karanicolas proposal in the Initial Report for Public
Comment. 2) ACTION: Staff to draft a new proposal based
on suggestions and circulate it to interested WG members
and the Co-Chairs.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><u><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">Q2</span></u><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">: Proposal from Martin Pablo Silva Valent:
ACTIONS: 1) Martin to revise the proposal with
assistance of other WG members and circulate it on the
WG email list for review. 2) Staff will check to see if
either party to the contract can seek modifications.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">Discussion of whether individual URS
proposals should be revisited by the WG, and
methodology for doing so: </span></b><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">ACTION: WG members are
requested to continue discussion on the email list. See
the draft survey at: <span
class="xapple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forms.gle_kak3MEWFTNeq69wN9&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=adDIs0WEx_lLwFfrsdovxTYY8GkRHo5ibc8SR3Npdh8&m=36glY4CKyg4JCvpnCKFaXpx9PW_r5RObgdpcO0mtVM8&s=pEK5aTpdV-IIoTgVC0PHNGEZ969HY26RoiVzAAphdcw&e="
moz-do-not-send="true">survey [forms.gle]</a>.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Notes:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">1.
Updates to Statements of Interest: No updates provided.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">2.
Status of Questions Q7, Q8, Q12, and Q15:</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Q7
Design Marks: ACTION: WG agrees to publish
Kleiman/Muscovitch and Shatan proposals in the Initial
Report for Public Comment.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Q8
GIs: ACTION: WG agrees to publish Tushnet proposal in
the Initial Report for Public Comment.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Q12:
Proposal from Maxim Alzoba – TMCH Operational
Considerations</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Need to improve redundancy and availability of the TMCH.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Question: Are you referring to the TM database, run by
IBM? Deloitte is the validator and IBM is the
maintainer of the database. Answer: Relates to the
provision of the database. Or could be a issue with the
design, it’s hard to say. Need to review how it works.
Might not be limited to software functions. Could be
dataflow design.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Need to get background on the cases reported to GDD
colleagues. The validation function is kept separate
from the database function. If the WG wishes to
investigate this further this is probably an issue with
implementation as to SLA (there are applicable SLAs).
Need also to go back and look at the deliberations
concerning the original design of the TMCH and database.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Information about the SOW with IBM (and for that matter
the SLAs with Deloitte) on this Working Group wiki page,
under TMCH Contracting:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=61606864">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=61606864</a></span><span
style="font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">
</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">ACTION:
Staff will work with Maxim to revise the proposal to
include context and background, and make it more
formal. Make it clear that this is an implementation
recommendation, not policy. Publish to the WG email
list for review.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Q15:
ACTION: WG agrees to publish Karanicolas proposal in the
Initial Report for Public Comment.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Hoped that we could get consensus.
</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Could allow a limited group to access the data, perhaps
a future review team? Can’t just open up now when those
who participate have been assured of confidentiality.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Question - is there a way for the WG to reach agreement
on how to ensure there is some kind of specific, limited
access to the data in the TMDB for oversight purposes
only (including future reviews)?</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">ACTION:
Staff to draft a new proposal based on suggestions and
circulate it to interested WG members and the Co-Chairs.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">3.
Remaining Deferred Charter Questions (see the attached
Status of WG Discussions on Agreed TMCH Charter
Questions):</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><i><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></i></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><i><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">a. Close Discussion:</span></i></b><span
class="xapple-converted-space"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">TMCH Category 6: Balance: Charter Question
16: Close discussion.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><i><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">b. Discussion:</span></i></b><span
class="xapple-converted-space"><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">TMCH Category 1: Education: Charter
Questions 1, 2, and 3 – Proposal submitted by Martin P
Valent for Q2 (<a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_109482780_Martin-2520Pablo-2520Silva-2520Valent-2520-2D-2520Q2.pdf-3Fversion-3D1-26modificationDate-3D1569963225000-26api-3Dv2&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=GU7oC_LaBo7KvH3LCTYNBb2Z62O2_gB7PePpFA2YNvE&s=PKnCPcJaP-hGDv7k41qSJp4G-vUa7kFbgWNfm3FAImo&e="
moz-do-not-send="true">1 Oct 2019</a>) </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><b><i><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></i></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Q1:
Close discussion.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Q2:
Proposal from Martin Pablo Silva Valent:</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
TMCH should educate rights holders; it is already doing
outreach and should do more.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Needs to be revised to be in the form of a
recommendation.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Amendment: this effort would work in conjunction with
whatever marketing ICANN is doing to support knowledge
around new gTLD program in general and the TMCH.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Not clear as drafting what is the remit of Deloitte and
what falls elsewhere. Some of this should be done at an
ICANN level.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Not sure involving ICANN at this level is required.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
ICANN is not involved in marketing gTLDs.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Needs to be some definition/scope. Don’t see TMCH
providing education on RPMs. We also need to clarify
what is meant by “education.” Is this essentially
“awareness” or is something more contemplated?</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
In the end we need much more in terms of education. If
it’s not in the current contract then it’s worth
considering in future discussion.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Need to be careful how to express this.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
From staff: ICANN Org does not have control over the
TMCH provider’s website and information. The contract
was an initial 5-year term that expired on the first
anniversary of the entering into force of the new gTLD
program, and followed by consecutive 1-year renewal
terms unless there’s a 180 day notice of termination.
See:
<a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_pages_viewpage.action-3FpageId-3D61606864&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=GU7oC_LaBo7KvH3LCTYNBb2Z62O2_gB7PePpFA2YNvE&s=9vB4Yvqqu-gSbuPEj2gY7ATdZdok63vjBBtw77AvqOA&e="
moz-do-not-send="true">
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=61606864</a> .
We are in the 1-year renewal term.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Should look at what Deloitte already provides on their
website.
</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
There's a lot of talk about what should be done - but
no-one identifying anything actually glaringly missing.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Maybe it’s more of an outreach question, if the
education already exists.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
We should be identifying what’s not being done.
Otherwise, we’re just endorsing education conceptually,
or providing a generic roadmap for what could be done
that will include many things that are already being
done.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">ACTION:
Martin to revise the proposal with assistance of other
WG members and circulate it on the WG email list for
review.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">ACTION:
Staff will check to see if either party to the contract
can seek modifications.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">4.
Discussion of whether individual URS proposals should be
revisited by the WG, and methodology for doing so. See
the draft survey at: <span
class="xapple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forms.gle_kak3MEWFTNeq69wN9&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=adDIs0WEx_lLwFfrsdovxTYY8GkRHo5ibc8SR3Npdh8&m=36glY4CKyg4JCvpnCKFaXpx9PW_r5RObgdpcO0mtVM8&s=pEK5aTpdV-IIoTgVC0PHNGEZ969HY26RoiVzAAphdcw&e="
moz-do-not-send="true">survey [forms.gle]</a>:</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Survey does not designate which proposals go into the
Initial Report – that will be decided via WG discussion.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
WG members should consider whether or not names and
affiliations should be included, although the survey is
not a poll.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
WG members will decide what to do with the data.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">--
Co-Chairs suggest allowing WG members to take the survey
as a way to inform, but not direct, WG discussions.</span><span
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">ACTION:
WG members are requested to continue discussion on the
email list.
</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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