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It would be inappropriate to presume cybersquatting from the use of
a "well known" brand name alone. There are any number of legitimate
reasons for registering <brand>.<new gTLD>. And we have
no working standard for what "well known" means, especially
internationally. Cybersquatting requires intent, and if some
percentage of URS proceedings are presuming intent based on no facts
but the domain name itself, that's highly relevant information that
should not be buried here.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Mitch Stoltz
Senior Staff Attorney, EFF | 415-436-9333 x142
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.eff.org/donate">https://www.eff.org/donate</a> | <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://act.eff.org/">https://act.eff.org/</a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/10/20 11:53 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cking@modernip.com">cking@modernip.com</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif">Agree Georges.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif">We don’t need a percent figure. We
can simply observe that ICANN needs specific info for data
collection/oversight & outline those required fields.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">Cyntia King<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">O: +1 816.633.7647<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">C: +1 818.209.6088<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D"><img
style="width:1.3437in;height:.6041in"
id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:part1.EABEE48C.920153F5@eff.org" alt="Email
Logo5" class="" width="129" height="58"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
GNSO-RPM-WG <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Nahitchevansky, Georges<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 10, 2020 1:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"><gregshatanipc@gmail.com></a>;
gnso-rpm-wg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] The 7% Solution for
URS Rationale [was: ACTIONS & NOTES: RPM PDP WG 08
August 2018]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank
you Greg. I was looking for that email and went back
through what I had reviewed. The bottom line is that of the
103 cases that had been marked as having no rational, there
were 45 that included enough to know what the case had been
about and the rationale. That meant that 7% just reiterated
the standard and ruled in favor of a party with nothing to
deduce the rationale. Of those 7%, though, a number of
cases involved domain names that were based on a well-known
trademark and it would not take much to understand that a
domain name that was simply BRAND + gTLD likely involved
cybersquatting. So in my view while there are some cases
that had no rationale, I do not believe we are talking
overall about cases that involved rulings with no
explanations regarding domain names that primarily involved
a generic word with a gTLD. Most of the 58 cases (or 103)
that arguably had no specific rationale involved domain
names that related to trademarks that are known, which again
suggests something about the ruling. Put another way, there
is a conceptual difference between a case that involves a
domain name based on a well-known brand such as
<cocacola.beverage> and one that involves a generic
word such as <fashion.clothes>. If the cases that
have no articulated rationale primarily involved the latter
type of domains, I would be much more concerned. But if
they mostly relate to known brands, I’m not sure that this
suggests that there were errors committed by the panelist.
Also, I do not believe that the 58 decisions at issue
actually resulted in any appeals, which does suggest that
perhaps the decisions were not unfounded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In
any event, rather than go back and forth about whether we
are talking about 7% or 13% of cases without a stated
rationale, I think the solution is to just say that there
were several cases that had no clearly stated rationale
without getting into percentages. After all, we are more or
less in agreement that close to 90% of the cases had
articulated rationale and that there should be some tweak to
address the minimum of what a URS decision should provide. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georges
Nahitchevansky </span><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
GNSO-RPM-WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 10, 2020 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-rpm-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GNSO-RPM-WG] The 7% Solution for URS
Rationale [was: ACTIONS & NOTES: RPM PDP WG 08 August
2018]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Here
is the Georges Nahitchevansky email that was referred to
in last week's discussion of the percentage of URS
decisions that lacked a rationale. There was a
subsequent discussion, so I recommend going back to the
list if you want to see the follow-up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">---------- Forwarded message
---------<br>
From: <strong>Nahitchevansky, Georges</strong> <<a
href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</a>><br>
Date: Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:27 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] ACTIONS & NOTES: RPM PDP
WG 08 August 2018<br>
To: Tushnet, Rebecca <<a
href="mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rtushnet@law.harvard.edu</a>>,
Ariel Liang <<a href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>>,
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a> <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Rebecca:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
do not disagree with the notion that we should
discuss what a decision should contain, but I don’t
think we have a consensus as to what that should be
in the URS context (given the pricing of URS
proceedings). Moreover, a review of the URS cases
makes your 13% number and comment of “significant
due process and implementation issues” point
questionable. At NAF for example, there were 827
cases that that your research assistants reviewed.
I found a total of about 103 that your team flagged
as having no articulated decisions. I would agree
that in 58 cases the decisions lacked details, but
in 45 cases there were details that sufficiently let
you know what the case was about and the basis of
the resolution. I am sure we can argue about these
45 cases and whether they should say more, but
ultimately we are really only talking about 58 cases
that actually do not have any specific details and
just provide the standard and a resolution (although
I note that most of these cases involve domain names
based on fairly well known marks such as NISSAN,
DATSUN, TEXACO, BLOOMBERG, BNP PARIBAS etc., so you
pretty much know what trademark was involved.). In
all, we are really talking about 7% of the cases
that have no details, which is not significant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Again,
we can discuss what the decisions should provide,
but I don’t think we ought to be qualifying this as
a “significant” issue per se (as 93% of them have
details). There are other issues being considered
in the URS review that have better percentage
numbers as an issue that are viewed as not being
significant per se. The point is that the URS looks
to be working appropriately and there are probably
some tweaks and refinements needed but this is not
sky is falling issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
gnso-rpm-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tushnet, Rebecca<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 9, 2018 1:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ariel Liang <<a
href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] ACTIONS &
NOTES: RPM PDP WG 08 August 2018</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div
id="m_-6589448025614526953m_-1652018880868742861divtagdefaultwrapper">
<p><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">My
apologies for missing the meeting. Comment on the
big document:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This is
currently only covered under Defenses but I would
put it for discussion/recommendations under 2.
Examiners’ Guide/3. Other Issues because it goes
beyond defenses: Decisions should contain basic
information, including what the trademark is, what
the finding of abuse is and/or what findings are
on any defenses—13% of decisions did not, and this
raises significant due process and implementation
issues. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
align="center">
<hr width="98%" size="2" align="center"></div>
<div
id="m_-6589448025614526953m_-1652018880868742861divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
gnso-rpm-wg <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Ariel Liang <<a
href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 8, 2018 3:56:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rpm-wg] ACTIONS & NOTES:
RPM PDP WG 08 August 2018</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Dear
All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Please see
below the action items and notes captured by
staff from the RPM PDP WG call held on
08 August 2018 (17:00-18:30 UTC). Staff have
posted to the wiki space the action items and
notes. <i>Please note that these will be
high-level notes and are not meant as a
substitute for the recording.</i> The
recording, AC chat, and attendance records are
posted on the wiki at: <a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_uwNpBQ&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=CypdnKxuYaImNW0ttGO-h5FbHiLxMQ2kzt4bzMuwnHU&s=gcgRms-bmezGQQmwXCqLMQXOdSv3gly_0bWYNSuRlY8&e="
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/uwNpBQ</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Best
Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Ariel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Ariel
Xinyue Liang</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">GNSO Policy
Support Specialist</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">==</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION
ITEMS:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Brian
Beckham to send to the WG a WIPO FAQ with
regard to “Doe Complaint”.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Renee
Fossen to provide more information on
HSTS-preloaded domain suspension issues in the
written responses.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Staff
to recirculate the Super Consolidated URS
Topics Table document</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WG
members to provide substantive comment and
raise anything they believe is missing on the
WG mailing list by <b>COB Tue, 14 Aug</b>.
Co-Chairs will then discuss among themselves
to determine further actions/process. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WG
members to finish reviewing the rest of the
Super Consolidated URS Topics Table document,
including page 24-35, during next week’s call.
Later period to discuss larger policy issues. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">NOTES:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Review
Agenda/Statements of Interest</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l11
level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">George
Kirikos has become a member of the At-Large
Community: <a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_gnsosoi_George-2BKirikos-2BSOI&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=CypdnKxuYaImNW0ttGO-h5FbHiLxMQ2kzt4bzMuwnHU&s=8-YfNNseZ7YW77BHJT9ciEr_I08JQcazWKn1rxNI900&e="
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/George+Kirikos+SOI</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">General
Comment on the Super Consolidated URS Topics
Table Document </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l7
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
topics in the table were developed by the WG
members and deliberated on by the WG & URS
Sub Teams. Each Sub Team then did very
substantial work on data collection and
reviewing what came back. While the actual Sub
Team recommendations and suggestions captured
in this document are what is intended the WG
should discuss - to see if it wishes to
develop policy or operational recommendations
- discussion over what should be on the actual
list of topics should not be reopened unless
the WG agrees to do so. We encourage all WG
members to review all the previous reports
from each Sub Team, and all the documents they
worked on. They are linked in this Super
Consolidated document (page 2).</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l7
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
Super Consolidated document is a summary of
findings and suggestions by the Sub Teams. The
Table does not mean to limit/restrict
recommendations from the WG members. If there
is any issue overlapping with UDRP, can
possibly be carried over to the phase II of
the PDP. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l7
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is
it possible to add additional topics to the
Super Consolidated Table? One WG member said
that access to the Courts, for example, is a
topic he raised, which isn't in the table.
Statute of Limitations, whether URS should
apply to legacy gTLDs as a consensus policy,
are just a few of the topics not in the table.
He brought it up in November 2017 (see: <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2017-November/002585.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2017-November/002585.html</a>
) and it was reflected in a later document.
That's a critical issue for registrants. if
they don't have access to the courts to
challenge a URS decision, then it's a huge
denial of their rights.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l7
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">While
the chart is not meant to foreclose further
discussion, it is a good faith attempt at
capturing the work of the sub teams. The
purpose of today's, and likely the next few,
calls was to make sure this was an accurate
and comprehensive reflection of our
discussions so far. That said, WG members
should bear in mind that we are seeking
consensus, so items which are unlikely to
achieve that may not be appropriate to reflect
as a recommendation, but could be included in
public comments on the Initial Report. Also,
before adding items to this chart, we will
want to work with staff to see whether such
topics was previously discussed, and if so,
the level of agreement/consensus. In other
words, it is not necessary final, but is
equally an opportunity to reintroduce topics
which have been discussed, but for which
consensus is/was not possible.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l7
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Could
we create a list of "missing issues" -- a list
of issues raised in this call (and calls to
follow); we can evaluate the nature and weight
of these ideas later.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l7
level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regarding
the Action Items highlighted in column 3 of
the table, Providers ST will do a first pass
of the responses from the Providers to the
follow-up questions, and then discuss the
issues that they identified and proposed
suggestions with the full WG. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Limited
filing period (page 3) </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo4"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One
WG member believes that there should be
limitation for filing period to bring URS
Complaints, so the domain registered many
years ago would not be subject to unfair
treatment. He said a registrant who owns a
domain for 20 years, for example, shouldn't
have to be concerned about a policy that can
take their domain down with very short time
period to respond.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo4"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Other
WG members said this was discussed, and did
not achieve agreement. That would only even be
an option if the trademark pre-dated. This is
unlikely to be a situation in practice where a
URS was brought because it would probably not
be a "slam dunk" case after 20 years unless
there had been a change of circumstances. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l8
level1 lfo4"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On
the issue of delay and laches - as reported by
the Docs Sub Team, the data did not provide
any basis for which a policy recommendation
should be made. The Providers and
Practitioners Sub Teams also did not uncover
any specific issues that came to either
practitioners' or providers' attention.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Administrative
Review (page 3-4) </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5
level1 lfo5"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One
WG member asked whether ICANN should bring
Providers into contractual relationship in
order to enforce the URS Rules &
Procedures. Another member said it probably
need to be ICANN’s legal department to enforce
the rules & procedure. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5
level1 lfo5"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">URS
Providers have MoU with ICANN. Whether it is
ICANN’s compliance department or legal
department to enforce the rules &
procedures, it should not be controversial
that Providers must abide by them. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5
level1 lfo5"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">An
MOU could be legally enforceable, depending on
the circumstances. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">500-word
Complaint limit (page 4-5)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.45pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On
500-word Complaint Limit - Practitioners' survey
results were split (out of 12, 5 agree it's
sufficient, 4 disagree); results included
feedback from some that the word limit was too
low: "arbitrary and often insufficient" and
"should be slightly increased".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.45pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One
member said he understands and generally agrees
with the decision not to suggest an expansion of
the word limit, he wonders if there aren't
situations (multi- domain challenges, etc.)
where a Complainant or Respondent might be given
the opportunity to request an expansion. This
point can be captured for decisional phase.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:38.45pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Another
member suggested that perhaps providers can
provide stats on the average word length of
complaints, to see how close to the 500 words
they are at present. (i.e. a table of
distributions, e.g. 10% under 200 words, 20%
between 201 and 300, etc.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Amending
the Complaint in light of GDPR/Temp Spec (page
5-6)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo6"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One
member believes that 2-3 days might not be a
good rule (e.g. weekends, time to research,
etc.). Maybe 5 business days.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo6"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WIPO’s
approach to “doe complaints” has been very
helpful and provides some comfort that the
lack of true registrant/registrant
organization data masked due to GDPR will not
result in a deficient complaint for an omitted
respondent.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo6"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION
ITEM: </span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Brian
Beckham to send to the WG a WIPO FAQ with
regard to “Doe Complaint”.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo6"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Forum
is asking for amendment of the complaint in
UDRP - under the rules that's not allowed in
URS.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">SMD
Files (page 6-7)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo7"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">SMD
files are used for limited purpose of
demonstrating the use. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo7"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Recollection
is that SMD files would be passed to the
Examiners and relay the critical information
related to the TM registration. That's why
some people are surprised by the limited info
SMD files would provide. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo7"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
SMD files contain some basic human-readable
information, with the rest of the information
coded. For example, the trademark itself is
human-readable but the applicable Nice
classification is coded. A SMD file is used by
registries/registrars for validation, and as
Greg noted, to demonstrate use. From the TMCH
provider: <a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_help_faq_which-2Dinformation-2Ddoes-2Dsmd-2Dfile-2Dcontain&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=CypdnKxuYaImNW0ttGO-h5FbHiLxMQ2kzt4bzMuwnHU&s=v3df_qE8Dw_U7YY7_IfhIMgGSxt-a44LbNskorrbTIg&e="
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.trademark-clearinghouse.com/help/faq/which-information-does-smd-file-contain</a>
</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo7"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
the intent of the STI was that the SMD file
would be a file summary, that got lost
somewhere along the way, way before the SMD
file was designed by the TMCH providers.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo7"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rules
3(b)(v) Specify the trademark(s) or service
mark(s) on which the complaint is based and
the goods or services with which the mark is
used including evidence of use –which can be a
declaration and a specimen of current use in
commerce - submitted directly or by including
a relevant SMD (Signed Mark Data) from the
Trademark Clearinghouse</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo7"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It
might be useful to look at the spec that they
relied on. But the real question is how
should the examiner get the relevant data
about the Complainant’s mark. The SMD file is
probably not the answer, if it was ever
intended to be.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo7"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">the
Examiner is not required to second-guess the
SMD file. Its existence is sufficient that the
mark has had use validated by the TMCH.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Other
Topics (page 7-8)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l12
level1 lfo8"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">These
are policy proposals can be brought up when WG
members are proposing changes to the URS
policy itself. Charter asks us to address the
question whether the URS should become a
consensus policy applicable to legacy domains.
Charter is not specific regarding whether such
discussion should occur in phase I or phase
II. This feedback illustrates that the ST
didn't get to propose policy changes, it is
for the WG to discuss and propose changes. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l12
level1 lfo8"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">when
we reference the STI and IRT reports, we need
to keep in mind they only had about 1-2 months
to complete their work and produce a report;
they were not standard PDP working groups and
had limited charters and mandates, which were
set by the Board</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l12
level1 lfo8"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This
is feedback from one Provider, who may want to
grow their business. Practitioners survey are
from Complaints' side. Need to have a balanced
solution when considering the input. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l12
level1 lfo8"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There
were plenty of practitioners that represent
registrants in the Subgroup, although their
experience was largely with the UDRP.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Duration
of response period (Page 11)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9
level1 lfo9"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One
member believes that if the URS continues in
its current form, it would affect valuable
domain names. The ones the registrants that do
want to defend them, 14 days are not
sufficient. 20 days may be more appropriate.
It should be based on the age of the domain
name. If a domain is 3 months, it will have a
shorter period to respond. If you own a domain
name for 5-10 years, response period would be
longer so less urgency. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l9
level1 lfo9"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Several
other WG members disagree. The URS is supposed
to be an expedited proceeding so increasing
the length of time of a streamlined proceeding
defeats the purpose. At most, there could be
an additional 3 or 4 days extension period for
cause. The point is that there are enough
circumstances that give rise to the URS 'quick
response' that we should NOT make assumptions
into policy. It is an assumption that an
"aged" domain would not require a fast
response. In Mexico, we have not been able to
file a domain name case due to Courts
ignorance about the subject and also, because
it could take years to be solved. We're
spinning out fo control - extending the time
to respond to URS cases just because a domain
registration is not new defeats the purpose of
fast action to take down an infringing domain
once it's discovered. The URS is meant to
address clear and convincing cases of
infringement. A person registers a domain name
for less than $50 and brand owner find out
about at some point and then files an
injunction in court for tens of thousands of
dollars. Where is the balance. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Examiners
Guide (page 13) </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l10
level1 lfo10"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
WIPO guidance for examiners took 1500 hours to
develop. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l10
level1 lfo10"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
WIPO guidance is relevant to the URS, the
elements are shown are the same and the
differences include the burden of proof, word
limit, etc. A lot of WIPO guidance goes to the
shade of grey issues. URS is for clear
black/white cases, so if there is a URS
guidance it would likely be abbreviated. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Duration
of Suspension Period & Review of
Implementation (page 21-23)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l6
level1 lfo11"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One
WG member suggests to find out how much cost
for registries & registrars to comply with
the URS rules and procedures. Need to get
data/feedback from the registries/registrars. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l6
level1 lfo11"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Other
WG members are not sure "cost of
implementation of URS" for
Registries/Registrars is relevant to
effectiveness of URS. We don't need to do a
cost/benefit analysis (the costs &
benefits aren't ICANN's), the providers,
registrars, registries need to be asked if
they are overburdened by the costs of
compliance.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l6
level1 lfo11"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There
is an action item to contact the
registries/registrars about these issues.
Timing TBD due to Sunrise & Claims survey
launch. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Other
topics (page 23-24)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo12"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One
WG member thinks the HSTS issue is not
difficult to fix. The Providers need to
improve their technical applicability to
resolve the issue. Renee Fossen from Forum
disagrees. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo12"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION
ITEM</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">:
Renee Fossen to provide more information on
HSTS-preloaded domain suspension issues in the
written responses.</span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">NEXT
STEPS </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo13"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION
ITEM</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">:
Staff to recirculate the Super Consolidated
URS Topics Table document and ask all WG
members to provide substantive comment and
raise anything they believe is missing on the
WG mailing list by COB Tue, 14 Aug. Co-Chairs
will then discuss among themselves to
determine further actions/process. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo13"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION
ITEM</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">:
WG to finish reviewing the rest of the Super
Consolidated URS Topics Table document,
including page 24-35. Later period to discuss
larger policy issues. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
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