<div dir="ltr">Phil,<div><br></div><div>I am speculating, but perhaps you are finding yourself somewhat surprised because the WG did not have any merit-based, substantive discussion on the individual proposals before they were posted for public comment?<br></div><div><br></div><div>As I recall, the purpose of the discussion we had at the time was to simply make a determination on whether to post an individual proposal for public comment. In thinking about the survey exercise we went through, and how different members answered the survey questions differently. Some voted in favor, even if they opposed a proposal on the merits, because they were under the impression that the intent of the question was whether to simply post the proposal for public comment, while others did the very opposite?</div><div><br></div><div>I also recall having no substantive discussion because I remember sending an email to the list highlighting in bold letters the fact that “this is not to discuss the substance of the proposal, that discussion will take place another day”.</div><div><br></div><div>So please correct me if I am mistaken, but what appears to have occurred is the WG, after the close of the public comment period, has been reviewing public comments on the individual proposals that the WG has not yet substantively discussed.</div><div><br></div><div></div><div>As I recently noted, I did not participate in that recent meeting when the public comments on my proposal (#6) were discussed. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Therefore, the team had a discussion about public comments on a proposal that the WG did not previously discuss on the merits, without the involvement of the proponent of the proposal. </div><div><br></div><div>Had I been part of the discussion, I would have been able to respond to the issues raised in the public comments, or by members of the WG, in order to clarify and bring meaning to what was being proposed in the first instance, and therefore shed import on the relevance and meaning of the public comments themselves or views of WG members.</div><div><div><br></div><div>In reading over the public comments, it appears personally obvious to me that many commenters were of the view that the proposal is seeking to create a new URS rule along the following lines: “multiple unrelated complainants must be allowed to consolidate their claims against a single domain registrant under certain circumstances”.</div><div><br></div><div>When in fact, I am not proposing this at all.</div><div><br></div><div>What I am proposing is that there should NOT be a rule of this kind hard-coded into the URS Procedures, in either direction, as it currently stands. Rather, this is an issue that should be resolved through the jurisprudence of the policy.</div><div><br></div><div>My thinking is supported by the fact that no such rule was proposed by the community groups that created the URS, such as IRT or the STI, but was only added after the fact by someone on the staff-side holding the pen on the AGB documents. In other words no one in the community proposed this rule for adoption in the URS, so I am proposing we simply remove it.</div><div><br></div><div>In reading your reply, it appears to me you are seeking a response more on the merits, so kindly consider the following scenarios.</div><div><br></div><div>Scenario 1): </div><div><br></div><div>A cybersquatter registers in bad faith 100 domain names to commonly target a group of 20 companies. </div><div><br></div><div>The companies operate in different industry lines and sectors. </div><div><br></div><div>Each company holds, let's say 3 trademarks, for a total of 60 trademarks that have been commonly targeted by the cybersquatter and which are the subject of the URS complaint.</div><div><br></div><div>The 60 trademarks owned by the 20 companies bear no visual, phonetic, or other apparent meaning to each other. </div><div><br></div><div>The 100 domains that are subject to this complaint are not exact-match variations of the 60 trademarks.</div><div><br></div><div>Rather, they all involve typo-variations of the trademarks, in some cases specific letters are transposed, in other cases letters are missing or other letters are added to the marks.</div><div><br></div><div>Some domains have words that have been interposed to the trademarks (which perhaps bear some correlation to the underlying goods and services of the trademarks), or the words interposed that are geographic or generic in nature.</div><div><br></div><div>The websites associated with the 100 cybersquatted domains all contain content, and the content varies, some may even be in another language. In other words, the cybersquatter creates 100 different websites and they all vary in appearance.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In terms of the 20 companies, their only "relatedness" exists from a web of historical mergers and acquisitions, so they share an overarching legal structure, e.g. they share the same parent company in some distant corner of the world.</div><div><br></div><div>Under the current URS Procedures, these 20 companies are permitted to bring a single complaint jointly against the single registrant for these 100 domains. They are permitted to do so under the rules because the companies are "related', i.e. they are under some legalized form of ownership.</div><div><br></div><div>My proposal is asking 1) why this should be the sole determining factor on whether consolidation is permissible, and 2) why this rule needs to be hardcoded in the URS Procedures?</div><div><br></div><div>For example, in the type of case that is permitted above, the examiner has a good amount of factual analysis to perform. </div><div><br></div><div>In addition, the examiner has to perform the step of going through the legal documentation to confirm these companies are legally related entities under the same corporate umbrella, in effect establishing the chain of title between the companies. </div><div><br></div><div>Even though there is this type of heavy fact-based analysis, this form of consolidation case is permitted because it is hardcoded in the URS Procedures document.</div><div><br></div><div>Scenario 2):</div><div><br></div><div>A cybersquatter registers 20 domains in a new gTLD to commonly target a group of 20 health care providers, or 20 well-known banks.</div><div><br></div><div>The 20 domains are an exact-match of the companies’ trademarks.</div><div><br></div><div>The cybersquatter does not use the domains to host content on websites.</div><div><br></div><div>Rather, the cybersquatter creates a phishing email that states the following: “To reset your password, please click on this link___” as a scheme to steal personal data from the companies' consumers.</div><div><br></div><div>The phishing email looks legitimate to the consumer, as the exact-match of the company’s trademark appears in the domain name and therefore, as part of the sender’s address.</div><div><br></div><div>Of the 20 companies, one realizes that its customers are in the process of being phished and performs an investigation. In the process, the company identifies that 19 of its competitors are also being commonly targeted under the same phishing scheme.</div><div><br></div><div>The company is not able to reach the web-host and the registrar is also unresponsive, so they decide that the best course of action, at least in the short term, is to bring a URS proceeding to have the 20 domains suspended. These 20 companies are not able to save resources on themselves, on the provider, or on ICANN, by bringing a joint complaint.</div><div><div><br></div><div>Currently, this case can’t get to the examiner. </div><div><br></div><div>The other 19 companies must bring separate, independent URS proceedings, because the 20 companies are not “related” companies,</div><div>i.e. they are not under the same legal ownership structure. However, legal ownership is merely a formality of the corporate form in some cases.</div><div><br></div><div>The end result is the current rule that is hard-coded in the URS Procedures document prevents the Provider from considering consolidation under appropriate circumstances. </div></div><div><br></div><div>We want a system that promotes efficiency, fairness and saves resources; following the UDRP model, the jurisprudence of the policy can and should evolve in an equitable direction and the URS Procedures document is not the appropriate source for this type of rule (as the cases above clearly illustrate).</div><div><br></div><div>In scenario 1, the factual and legal analysis is much more fact, labor-intensive and complex. </div><div><br></div><div>In scenario 2, the factual and legal analysis is straightforward: 20 exact match domains all being used to send the same phishing email.</div><div><br></div><div>In sum, on the complainant's side, having some option is better than having no option. This is reflected by the support from the IPC and BC and among the brand owners that provided comments on an individual basis. </div><div><br></div><div>On the respondent side, any potential equitable issues would need to be addressed to ensure fairness and due process. Because of the very uniqueness of these fact patterns, I personally believe we are on solid ground in that regard and the prospects are positive.</div><div><br></div><div>On the Provider's side, they expressed openness to the idea and I think with their input and with ideas from others, we can make headway and there is a good, reasonable chance of reaching consensus on improving the system in a manner that achieves its intended design functions.</div><div><br></div><div><div></div></div><div>I hope this is responsive to your query, and hope you enjoy the rest of the weekend.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Claudio</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Friday, June 26, 2020, Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com" target="_blank">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Claudio:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“Your reference to “revisit items already handled” and to “reopening” speaks as if final conclusions have already been reached, when I believe that is no where near the case here.”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is not correct. Unlike the WG recommendations in the Initial Report, which had broad support and minimal opposition, the individual proposals did not have WG backing, and were put out for comment to gauge community support/opposition
and whether they should go forward, in initial or revised form, for consensus call consideration. My personal presumption was that the great majority of individual proposals would not move forward, and I have actually been surprised that after comment review
some number will or may get further consideration.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But that is not the case for URS #6, as there was broad agreement after review of community input that it had no realistic chance to garner consensus support. As I stated in my earlier email today, “If you believe that there is some way
in which this proposal to let multiple unrelated complainants bring a single joint complaint against a single registrant can be revised in a manner to achieve that purpose and have a substantial prospect of gaining consensus support within the WG I invite
you to share such revision for consideration. Short of that, in the opinion of this co-chair Proposal 6 is DOA and will not be discussed further per the decision agreed to by WG members on the call in which it was discussed.”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best, Philip<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip S. Corwin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>claudio di gangi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 26, 2020 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com" target="_blank">PMcGrady@taftlaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Public Comment Analysis Summary Document - URS Proposals 1-3, 6, 11, 13, 15, 22, 26<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually, I believe you have things backwards here. The default operating procedure is to promote more inclusion, not less and not exclude members from decision-making because they missed a phone call or a meeting. That’s why we have the
list and the open and inclusive operating procedures.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your reference to “revisit items already handled” and to “reopening” speaks as if final conclusions have already been reached, when I believe that is no where near the case here.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Finally, I didn’t assert that you misunderstood the proposal, merely that it appeared to me that you did based on your summary statement. We can get into the merits at a later stage, but I hope no offense was taken, as none was intended
- I know you are very smart guy!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Claudio<u></u><u></u></p>
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On Friday, June 26, 2020, McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com" target="_blank">PMcGrady@taftlaw.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Claudio, thanks for your email.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">All, here is a link to the proposal that Claudio is talking about:
</span><a href="https://secure-web.cisco.com/1lYs_kXykg5dqAYwhfAcnznIQ8YqmbHOe5b7Eqqq5SqJuXh-2yH9X9DPg30IEHLKHU0_S2TuUR-4ScuGRU1heNKOGoLhFkZDA-lzYOtFxey_P_BY3U2jTQFS9q-ixD5KVPlp5dp7OkVpW8NstQrddtVgFMBW_mN-ckuehl9OZ3QjbQFiejFGnWoK_GzSj7l1wLkKlObEAqJCvju7MrhRnfUiw1_dXyvfJqbQ1LmfBtPqwvy-deJscN6UO-dCGs7i4YwWmUenGEAbxSIjxhMDOyw/https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fdisplay%2FRARPMRIAGPWG%2FURS%2BIndividual%2BProposal%2B%25236" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/URS+Individual+Proposal+%236</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Three Co-chairs, while I do not believe it is a good idea to revisit items already handled because their proponent was not on a call, that choice is yours.
However, please do not feel pressure to reopen it based upon Claudio’s assertion that I misunderstood the proposal. I assure you that I understand it.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>claudio di gangi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 26, 2020 12:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ariel Liang <<a href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org" target="_blank">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Public Comment Analysis Summary Document - URS Proposals 1-3, 6, 11, 13, 15, 22, 26<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wasn’t on this call when Proposal #6 was discussed by the WG for potential preservation for further WG consideration. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From my reading of the transcript, and the summary of the public comments as produced/reviewed by staff and the sub-teams, there appears to be a major misunderstanding of the intent
of proposal #6. I have a sense that folks think the proposal is seeking to do a lot more than what it is actually seeking to accomplish (perhaps based on the wording of the proposal).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am basing my interpretation of this confusion on the following: 1) my personal review of the public comments; 2) the apparent assessment made by Paul McGrady that the proposal
should “die on the vine” - based on a rationale that I believe reflects a misunderstanding of the proposal (in contrast, it terms of the CSG constituencies, the proposal is supported by the IPC and BC); and 3) during this last WG meeting, the analysis comments
made by Phil as co-chair concerning the analysis of the public comments (which, as I stated above, many of the public comments appear to be based on a misunderstanding of the proposal); and 4) the comments made by Lori along the lines of “let’s put this proposal
out it’s misery” (in contrast, the proposal is supported by the IPC and BC, and is based on a previous INTA recommendation).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As an aside, this experience leaves me with the sense that if a proponent isn’t on a call for an individual proposal discussion, and it’s easy to skip on to the next, it probably
a good idea to do so.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In conclusion, I am expecting/hoping to get a chance to clarify the confusion on this proposal on the next call and for the time being to leave this item open for further review.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thursday, June 25, 2020, Ariel Liang <<a href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org" target="_blank">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Please find a public comment analysis document which encapsulates/summarizes the Working Group’s deliberations on the public comments for individual proposals:
</span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pnqor6rHjvowH66GPQG9XI23n8H2mgkbf39-jA4KlFc/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pnqor6rHjvowH66GPQG9XI23n8H2mgkbf39-jA4KlFc/edit?usp=sharing</a> <span style="color:black">The
updated content for URS Proposals #1, #2, #3, #6, #11, #13, #15, #22, and #26 are on pages 1-12, 14-17.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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This document is not meant to replace the Working Group’s transcripts/recordings/chat records, which include the full details of each meeting.
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Tue, 23 June session: <span style="color:windowtext"><a href="https://secure-web.cisco.com/1hAxjVWDW16z7HCPA-IWN8C4xuMEuUoVL7cbOPEPWIdSW5tk6IokvV_xGrpF6m-d36j8RlHB784PAMmm9yqYRRQonlhIIRzGCuN8_Wj7PLcHR2DqazlLFos1IQ-EWPp-5049CUMJnHpPGTVhb1afcVweeyu8qKTKAK51RAM3icsjFrSk8kN-0XxmGSYw8sRr7bn3r6pUq3zQxVdlXWuEz8Ew31Lq8F_9y_UOJ55GfH3ZCoQb6zqVw2z-tJjmVebYkmK8453XDDgEm1ij5zqDoSaaqFwemF912tWGeS0KQBZI/https%3A%2F%2F68.schedule.icann.org%2Fmeetings%2F4h27u2A9rBqt8annP" target="_blank">https://68.schedule.icann.org/meetings/4h27u2A9rBqt8annP</a></span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
Thu, 25 June session: <a href="https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ujFn4O60g6BlFlEKQGIGGxL5RHVLVLCkiVaELqIlC5FE3llxfQn7Cos9CXO86MaSCxMT8--rT2jrOniXJOORiIv_6_pZMqK7aG3G3nye4CroyZlOK0v_AVlMmpd_j8M5Wvl-l6XoXlhePeb6NGxUCJR6hbNVeAPW0i3UrnK43DPDUyAL8HzmPjSuzoMQND4RG6ynDxvRlOXOCmtWfHfCykKa2gt9qMOpj-2rBKnShM_j4BytucfKLkqwDsDacktd1P4ckEbAgOSfF27t_4nUrA/https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fx%2F9YBIC" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/x/9YBIC</a><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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Each proposal section includes its full language (in the yellow box), as well as the rationale provided by the original proponent.
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<span style="color:black">1) Public Comment Deliberation Summary: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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“WG Initial Deliberation Summary” contains the summary of the current round of public comment review by the WG, including any action item/decision by the WG regarding the individual proposal.
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<span style="color:black">2) Final Recommendation Language Derived from the Individual Proposal (If Applicable): this section will include the recommendation language if an individual proposal gains consensus to become a WG final recommendation.
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