[Gnso-sc-budget] [Ext] Re: Final Proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget

Thu May 24 19:56:55 UTC 2018

Thanks for your comment, Marilyn, that is very sensible.

I wonder if, as part of the FY20 budget process, we might be able to see in advance a list of any grants or donations that ICANN intends to make that exceed $25,000? And whether they are one-off gifts or ongoing commitments?

I understand that as a 501(c)(3) ICANN may have some kind of obligation to make charitable donations like these ones, and perhaps a brief explanation around how much money ICANN must give away (excuse me for being flippant here) would be helpful. It is good to be charitable, but at the same time, the ICANN community is suffering very substantial cuts...

Ayden

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On 24 May 2018 9:10 PM, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com> wrote:

> There was a good explanation for the contribution to the Univ/Oregon, so let's see if there is a similar good explanation -- regardless of the year.
>
> Marilyn
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> From: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 12:59 PM
> To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> Cc: Xavier J. Calvez; Marilyn Cade; Austin, Donna; gnso-sc-budget at icann.org; Shani Quidwai
> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-sc-budget] Final Proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget
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> Please remember that the $300k donation was found within the form 990 published this month, which refers to the 2016 fiscal year when the budgetary climate was different, so perhaps donations like this have been discontinued? Or perhaps it was a part of a multi-year agreement, and could not be terminated? Regardless, I agree with your comments, Michele, that "there needs to be a clearer narrative around expenditure."
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> Best wishes, Ayden
>
> Original Message
> On 24 May 2018 10:28 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
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>> I have to agree with Marilyn. It’s hard to understand why ICANN would give money to ISOC, for example  yet cut money to other organisations and groups. I’m all for fiscal prudence, but there needs to be a clearer narrative around expenditure.
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>> Regards
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>> Michele
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>> --
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>> Mr Michele Neylon
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>> From: "xavier.calvez at icann.org" <xavier.calvez at icann.org>
>> Date: Thursday 24 May 2018 at 01:58
>> To: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>, Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, "Austin, Donna" <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>> Cc: "gnso-sc-budget at icann.org" <gnso-sc-budget at icann.org>, Shani Quidwai <shani.quidwai at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-sc-budget] Final Proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget
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>> Marilyn,
>>
>> Thank you for this input. It is always useful for us to understand what are the areas of interest where we can evaluate how to provide additional transparency. In doing so, I also want to make sure everyone understands the natural limitations of practicality to provide more information.
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>> The operating plan and budget published by ICANN provides more detailed information than any other non-profit organization I was able to benchmark in the recent past (not that I have done a comprehensive inventory). While we want to continuously provide more transparency, producing more information at a more granular level than we already do should be considered in the context of (i) resource limitation, (ii) effectiveness of more information providing more transparency.
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>> We will include contributions as an area of interest for more information for the FY20 planning process.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Best,
>>
>> Xavier
>>
>> Xavier Calvez
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>> ICANN SVP & CFO
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>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
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>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
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>> Phone:   310-301-5838
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>> Mobile:  805-312-0052
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>> Fax:        310-957-2348
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>> From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 1:20 PM
>> To: Xavier Calvez <xavier.calvez at icann.org>, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, "Austin, Donna" <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>> Cc: "gnso-sc-budget at icann.org" <gnso-sc-budget at icann.org>
>> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-sc-budget] Final Proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget
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>> Xavier,
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>> There are centers of excellence in CS -- from my 'old history'  I am privileged to have a few contacts with some of those, and I recognize the University of Oregon as a well recognized contributor.
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>> I also recognize our CTO as an amazing resource. BUT while I certainly can support why ICANN CTO undertook this relationship.
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>> This is not for you but it is for the ICANN leadership:
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>> We can't just assume that everyone has the right contacts to know or understand... AND, we can't ignore that explanations are essential.
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>> So, I will offer a word of advise.
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>> By NOT including the information about why and what, ICANN puts us, the community in a highly challenging situation. Our communities ask us [who are the supposed experts on the budget] something that goes like this
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>> "What the ....... [can't be typed in] is this about?"
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>> "they can't fund our request for community services like CROP [I know, restored, but just keep in mind we feel like we had to jump and down to make that happen -- and in unison-- which is always a challenge!!
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>> "Why are they funding a University?"
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>> "Why are they giving $300,000 to ISOC, one of the richest organizations, that by the way, is now denying funding for different events that benefit the community [assumingly using the $300,000 of ICANN funding] , but paying for a child care center at EuroDiG?And receptions at EuroDIG?
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>> ENGAGEMENT from developing country participants is an high priority. Funding day care and social drinks for EuroDIG is not the highest priority, while if ICANN can attend and provide speakers to the 70 National IGFs, now that is a value added, as it is not about your socializing but about making a difference.
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>> We, the community are at a disadvantage.
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>> I struggle to read all the pages, and to focus on what matters to my BC community.
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>> BUT some of this is amazingly challenging.
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>> Why would I have to learn that ICANN made these contributions by reading ICANN's 1099?
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>> I hope everyone reading this is smiling, but really? I have to read my own 1099 as a business!
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>> I am beginning to think that the ICANN senior staff and Board are missing a key point.
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>> From: Gnso-sc-budget <gnso-sc-budget-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Xavier J. Calvez <xavier.calvez at icann.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 12:39 PM
>> To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Ayden F篓娄rdeline; Austin, Donna
>> Cc: gnso-sc-budget at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-sc-budget] Final Proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget
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>> All,
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>> Re: University of Oregon / NSRC.
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>> To inform your conversation on this topic: I will ask David Conrad our CTO to describe it better than I am, but in substance this is effectively using the services of the NSRC (Network Startup Resource Center, hosted by the University of Oregon) to deliver internet security trainings. We believe this is actually a very cost effective approach to providing such security trainings (I did ask that question in the past). Rafik provided a link to their website.
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>> Thank you.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Xavier
>>
>> Xavier Calvez
>>
>> ICANN 篓C SVP & CFO
>>
>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>
>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>
>> Phone:   310-301-5838
>>
>> Mobile:  805-312-0052
>>
>> Fax:        310-957-2348
>>
>> From: Gnso-sc-budget <gnso-sc-budget-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 6:05 AM
>> To: Ayden F篓娄rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, "Austin, Donna" <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>> Cc: "gnso-sc-budget at icann.org" <gnso-sc-budget at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-sc-budget] Final Proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget
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>> [I suspect they don]隆炉t *need* the money, but God only knows ..
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>> It隆炉d be interesting to know what the cost difference is between 2 days and 3 days for the council event in January
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>> Also 2 days might be sufficient if they are two full days of meetings ie. 0900 to 1700
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>> --
>>
>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>
>> Blacknight Solutions
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>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>
>> https://www.blacknight.com/
>>
>> http://blacknight.blog/
>>
>> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
>>
>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>>
>> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
>>
>> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
>>
>> -------------------------------
>>
>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>>
>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
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>> From: Gnso-sc-budget <gnso-sc-budget-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Ayden F篓娄rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> Reply-To: Ayden F篓娄rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> Date: Tuesday 22 May 2018 at 23:42
>> To: "Austin, Donna" <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>> Cc: "gnso-sc-budget at icann.org" <gnso-sc-budget at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-sc-budget] Final Proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget
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>> The Form 990 does not offer much detail, but for the University of Oregon the description is "NSRC CONTRIBUTION", and for ISOC, the description is "CRYPTECH." ISOC has $30m+ coming in annually from PIR, so it is unclear to me why they require ICANN resources.
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>> Ayden
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>> 漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\ Original Message 漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\
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>> On 23 May 2018 12:19 AM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar> wrote:
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>>> I隆炉m curious: why is ICANN donating to the University of Oregon? ISOC, I kind of understand although they already have a source of funding from PIR so I隆炉d be curious to know what the $287,500 is for.
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>>> From: Ayden F篓娄rdeline [mailto:icann at ferdeline.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 1:43 PM
>>> To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>> Cc: gnso-sc-budget at icann.org
>>> Subject: RE: [Gnso-sc-budget] Final Proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comments, Donna.
>>>
>>> I am equally disappointed by the reduction in length of the Council's Strategic Planning Session. We had a very productive meeting this year and, as our outcome document demonstrates, it helped us better understand our role as a part of the Empowered Community and our responsibilities in managing the GNSO Policy Development Processes.
>>>
>>> Unless I am underestimating the costs involved in hosting this event (which was held this year at ICANN's office in Marina del Rey, so ICANN had no need for external venue hire), the only additional cost here in stretching this to a three-day event is one additional night of hotel and per diem for each of the 22 travellers (21 Councillors + 1 volunteer facilitator), and a catered lunch. Surely this could not cost much more than $5,000?
>>>
>>> I understand the need to be fiscally prudent, but as I have said a few times, not at the expense of good judgement. We saw in the Form 990 that ICANN was donating $140,000 to the University of Oregon, $287,500 to the Internet Society, etc. - is there no way that an extra $5,000 could be found somewhere in the $140,000,000 budget to support this very important session where the Council will develop its 2019 work plan?
>>>
>>> Would it be appropriate for the SCBO to draft a letter, which we would in turn ask the Council to consider submitting to the Board ahead of their 30 May meeting, asking that the GNSO Council's Strategic Planning Session be lengthened by one day and outlining the fruits of this year's inaugural meeting?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>>
>>> 漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\ Original Message 漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\漏\
>>>
>>> On 22 May 2018 7:27 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the update Ayden.
>>>>
>>>> Weren隆炉t the Fellowship numbers actually reduced overall from previous years? I think the original proposal was to cut the numbers from 60 to 30, and it seems ICANN has split the difference based on feedback and increased 30 to 45, so overall there was a reduction in the numbers.
>>>>
>>>> I隆炉m disappointed to see the Council Strategic Planning Session reduced from 2 days to 3. This seems somewhat shortsighted as I expect the primary costs are associated with getting people to the one venue, but I guess 2 days is better than none.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again for being so diligent on the budget issues.
>>>>
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>> From: Gnso-sc-budget [mailto:gnso-sc-budget-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Ayden F篓娄rdeline
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 2:12 AM
>>>> To:gnso-sc-budget at icann.org
>>>> Subject: [Gnso-sc-budget] Final Proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget
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>>>> The final proposed FY19 Operating Plan and Budget has now been published:
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>>>> [https://www.icann.org/news/blog/final-proposed-fy19-operating-plan-and-budget [eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com]](https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.icann.org-5Fnews-5Fblog-5Ffinal-2D2Dproposed-2D2Dfy19-2D2Doperating-2D2Dplan-2D2Dand-2D2Dbudget-2526d-253DDwMGaQ-2526c-253DMOptNlVtIETeDALC-5FlULrw-2526r-253DCwipU91YB6EkpFXK9ynnT-5FQUef4yC5p7jpsDm8cU97g-2526m-253DM2U-5FhGABCyuFK6WXXt4kChwwAhBZKiRDTielcDEl4oc-2526s-253DCOWHaRYMg4-2DNaQ0I6Q8KT6Mpqmynwf2UJhrz-5Fm8IF4s-2526e-253D-26data-3D02-257C01-257C-257Cb18d9e44d7994f6e589a08d5c0cbd236-257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa-257C1-257C0-257C636626903989927537-26sdata-3DeCRa-252BbZEpnjtDTqr3MpOnriMIr95Rh8wH3kjei0MGyo-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMFoQ%26c%3DFmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM%26r%3DIWWGaKyGUGcKQNGe7LtArAou7HP6fPR5aWjbPBUFZ3k%26m%3DRBzTvypgV7jgsCLA31Ny1IiG5BAcU9LL-GFYl-u3HKk%26s%3Dnxjr1ywY046GtKXYgR56HNBT7FdxMzo01xO6CfrX0ZY%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd47e3ecd59f5432eea6308d5c197c84b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636627779997885388&sdata=9Vc69Ov%2FgqdXNSFjK2xk4Q17DC1tgQ7FCXX3TFPMYy4%3D&reserved=0)
>>>>
>>>> Rather disappointingly, I note that, "The Fellowship Program received an increase from 30 to 45 seats per meeting, based on your feedback."
>>>>
>>>> This was feedback not from the community, but from fellows, who had a vested interest in the programme's enlargement.
>>>>
>>>> More relevant to the Council, our Strategic Planning Session was recommended for approval in FY19, however only for two days (rather than the three days which had been requested).
>>>>
>>>> Ayden F篓娄rdeline
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