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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Good suggestion Tom. Let me personally try to do that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Barrett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 09, 2013 10:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Draft principles - comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">It would be helpful for me to see how group members would apply the P&I principles to two real-life situations. For background info, see domainincite.com.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">1. How to resolve the .islam and .halal TLDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">According to domainincite, "ICANN is going to have to decide whether to approve the new gTLDs .islam and .halal, after the Governmental Advisory Committee
punted the issue."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck Gomes] Principle 1 says that implementation should be multi-stakeholder, so the first thing to do is to review the principles and recommendations
that came out of the multi-stakeholder GNSO process. One principle from the GNSO PDP was that decisions should be based on international law; in this case, there is no international law; if there was, this would be an easy decision. Recommendation 6 for
new gTLDs deals with what was originally called morality & public order but the guidelines are not very specific so it doesn’t help very much. Because this is a public policy issue, we need GAC input and the GAC could not reach consensus; involving the GAC
is part of the M-S process. Further M-S processes would be unlikely to help on this so the Board has to make a decision. If they rely on the input received via M-S processes (i.e., input not received), they probably need to allow the strings unless there
is other M-S input that indicates otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Principle 2 is for policy development so is only applicable if the Board wants to initiate a PDP on this, which would probably be non-productive.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Principle 3 says that implementation processes do not need to be bottom-up unless they involve new policy so it seems to me that it is not necessary
for the Board to put this out for total community input.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Principle 4 might be a little helpful here: “</span></i></b>“. . Implementation should be regarded as an integral and continuing part of the political
policy process rather than an administrative follow-on, and seen as a policy-action dialectic involving negotiation and bargaining between those seeking to put policy into effect and those upon whom action depends.”<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">”
Some negotiation and bargaining between impacted parties (applicants and those who oppose the strings is one option.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It’s too late for principles 5 (</span></i></b>policy recommendations should be clear and unambiguous<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">)
& 9 (</span></i></b>WGs should be encouraged to provide as much implementation detail as possible<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">) unless the Board sends it back to the GNSO,
which would likely be fruitless.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Principle 6 happened, i.e., the GNSO sought input from the GAC on Recommendation 6 but the input was not sufficient.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I don’t think principle 7 applies because this issue doesn’t involve a change to policy, nor does principle 8 apply because this doesn’t involve
an administrative change.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Principle 10 in my opinion was followed in the PDP (</span></i></b>Policy development should be based on principles of fairness, notice and due
process as well as predictability<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">) except maybe with regard to predictability.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think the three ALAC proposed principles that make up principle 11 were mostly following by the WG; to deal with the need to be timely and to
bring some closure, the WG submitted recommendations that did not satisfy all sides of issues like this one. In this case though, we may have forced the Board into making an executive decision, but only after a lot of time was spent.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think that for the most part the core values that make up principle 12 were followed in the policy development and implementation processes related
to this issue.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regarding principle 13 (staff support provided in a neutral manner), I believe that happened regarding this issue both in policy development and
implementation.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">2. The proposal from the Brand Registry Group regarding dotbrand rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">According to domainincite, "The proposed changes were negotiated by ICANN and the Brand Registry Group, a coalition of dot-brand applicants that one day
plans to become a formal part of ICANN’s policy-making structure."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I would be interested in hearing how others would frame these two situations:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">How would you apply the P&I principles for these two items?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">When (if at all) should the GNSO participate in these two items? Why or why not?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Regarding the dotbrand rules: Was this “call for public comment” by ICANN the appropriate next step for the BRG proposal? Why or why not?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck Gomes] I will not go through all 13 principles for this one.
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<b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think that
</span></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Principle 4 is applicable here: “</span></i></b>“. . Implementation should be regarded as an integral and continuing part of the
political policy process rather than an administrative follow-on, and seen as a policy-action dialectic involving negotiation and bargaining between those seeking to put policy into effect and those upon whom action depends.”<b><i><span lang="EN" style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">”
This is exactly what happened here and I don’t think the proposed results went against any of the policy recommendations. In fact, it appears that the proposed solution dealt with some issues that the WG did not consider in detail.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thomas Barrett<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces@icann.org">gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces@icann.org</a>
<a href="mailto:[mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces@icann.org]">[mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl-bounces@icann.org]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 09, 2013 7:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl@icann.org">gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-subteam0b-policyimpl] Draft principles - comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">To kick things off, I've added a couple of comments / questions as well as proposed edits to the draft provided by Chuck (see attached).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Marika<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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