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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> Dear All,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 recording for the Policy and Implementation Working Principles Sub-Team call held </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>on Thursday 6 February 2014 at 21:00 <span style='color:black'>UTC:</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:black'><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-20140206-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-implementation-20140206-en.mp3</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr – ALAC</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Chuck Gomes- RySG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Alan Greenberg – At-Large</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Avri Doria – NCSG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tom Barrett – RrSG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Greg Shatan - IPC<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Michael Graham – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Nic Steinbach- RrSG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Apologies:</span></u><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mary Wong</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ICANN staff:</span></u><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marika Konings</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie Peregrine</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>** Please let me </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>know if your name has been left off the list **</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Wiki page</span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>:<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag">https://community.icann.org/x/y1V-Ag</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kind regards,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie Peregrine</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>For GNSO Secretariat</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Adobe Chat Transcript for </span></u><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thursday 06 February 2014<span style='color:black'>:</span></span></u><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the PI Principles Sub-Team meeting of 6 February 2014<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathalie Peregrine:Alan Greenberg has joined the room<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathalie Peregrine:Avri is not on the audio bridge<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:include it as a principal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathalie Peregrine:Michael graham has joined the AC roon<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:And calling in shortly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:In re: "Impact" analysis -- whether a process suggestion or a principle (and I would question whether it is a principle) could we say instead of "should be conducted" write "should be addressed in Policy Development and Implementation"?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:P.S. I have audio but not mic<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:Is a) not the same as b) except as applied to implementation portion of equation?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:i think it is really premature to accuse impact analysis of being dog whistle words.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Greg Shatan:I hope that is true -- but I remember how "impact" was being used around Durban-time. Happy to keep it from being freighted with implicit meanings....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Greg Shatan:I actually agree with Alan.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:I would agree with Alan. While the first sentence in a is fine, the second is a description how that principle should be implemented -- and should be left for discussion by WG.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:NOT a BUZZ WORD<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:breaking up<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:+++from me @avri<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:The PRINCIPLE is that the impact of Policy on stakeholders should be assessed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika 2:@Michael - I agree. How that is done should be for the WG to discuss (in my opinion)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:@Michael, I agree<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:i cn liv with calling it an analysis of the impact it the term is so bothersone. but it has to be more that a consideration.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika 2:What if we change a to 'Assessing the impact on stakeholders is an essential part of the policy development process'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika 2:and leave it at that for now?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:@Marika I would agree.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Greg Shatan:New ICANN title: "Default Chair"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:I prefer "an analysis of the impact ...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:But it's not Chuck's default.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:why is it not a principle?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:Because it is a policy putting into effect the policy.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:To clarify: I was referring to b) and c), not a)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:i supported deconstructing the term.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:Can't trust cunning lawyers!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:@ Alan ;-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:what about the non cunning sub species :-) <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:I would keep "all" insofar as this is an aspirational principle.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:I like all, but accept Avri's comments and can live without it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:Either is good.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:i can live with it. just think it doesn't add much. i cant even aspire to all.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nic Steinbach:strongly okay with either <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tom Barrett - EnCirca:on hold<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tom Barrett - EnCirca:my concern is that "all" will be an excuse to study the impact with no end<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:FYI -- IPC is now considering response to our Request for Input.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:we can put the word fascilitate somewhere in the sentence.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:of course spelled correctly: facilitate (?)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Graham:Have to drop off. Will listen to recording of rest of discussion.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tom Barrett - EnCirca:I read this as incorporating a requirement for checkpoints during the implementation where impact-related questions are asked.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tom Barrett - EnCirca:by the way, the 'conference call center' appears to be on break. I can't get through.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:ok<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:litmus test<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> <span lang=FR>Avri Doria:a non maskable interupt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=FR> </span>Alan Greenberg:Yup!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:And I am old enoughto remember when they were called "traps". Which adds another connotation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:i tend to remember as nmi<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nic Steinbach:i will have to setup away just for a second<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nic Steinbach:step*<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:but i recognize trap<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tom Barrett - EnCirca:bingo!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika 2:Tom, could you please type your proposed wording in the chat?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:I gather that this is a 90 minute call... Really wish the announcement would make it clear.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tom Barrett - EnCirca:there should be a mechanism to flag unanticipated outcomes that impact the community<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:2 sentences is ALWAYS better than one run on sentence.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:alerted?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:mechanismm to alert ...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tom Barrett - EnCirca: there should be a mechanism to flag and address unanticipated outcomes that impact the community<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika 2:Can you please mute your lines when not speaking<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathalie Peregrine 2:The operator has muted Tom's line as it was causing disturbance<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathalie Peregrine 2:*6 on the phone to unmute<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tom Barrett - EnCirca:ok. i muted too<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tom Barrett - EnCirca:i think it was me typing<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:But the flagging still may need work.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika 2:@Avri - correct. The PDP Manual currently doesn't prescribe how an IRT would flag (e.g. does that need to be a consensus decision, if one member sees an issue it goes to the council, etc.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika 2:and what if an SO/AC wants to flag?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika 2:all questions for the WG to address ;-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:the whole doc will need continuity testing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:Very productive meeting!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:Thanks all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Cheryl Langdon-Orr:good progress... thanks. bye<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:bye bye all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>