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<div>In the use case, do the registries using the pending action flow with the pending action poll message? Will the registry process the command as a non-pending action, waiting for some dependency to be fulfilled, and then publish the action in DNS? Do
you believe that all or some (opt in or out) clients would want to be notified of this asynchronous action by the server without going through the pending action flow? I’m not sure whether the deferred action is as much of an operation since it more of a
state transition for the originating operation. A custom operation is supported in draft-gould-change-poll to support non-general use cases. The question is whether this is a general use case that deserves a pre-defined operation and if so what should that
operation be if it’s different from the originating operation? I would call it something like “deferredPublication”. </div>
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<div>On Mar 6, 2015, at 12:07 AM, Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br">rubensk@nic.br</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">Has the use case of DNS publishing been considered for the changepoll extension ? Some registries defer publication of a domain to the registry zone until DNS servers respond correctly (authoritative, DNSKEY matches DS etc.), and a poll message
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I received private feedback to add an optional caseId element to help capture the UDRP, URS, or other case identifier for the change. The optional caseId element was added with an enumerated “type” attribute, with the enumerated values of “udrp”, “urs”, and
“custom”, and with an optional “name” attribute for the “custom” type. Are there any additional case types that should be included in the enumerated list? You can see the latest updates of the draft using the GitHub project <a href="https://github.com/james-f-gould/EPP-Change-Poll.git" class="">https://github.com/james-f-gould/EPP-Change-Poll.git</a>.
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<div class="">You mean you want to see the full input transform command in the poll message? Most of the server-side operations don’t go through EPP, so it would be a challenge to attempt to present the input prior to executing the operation using an EPP transform
command. Another issue with using a transform command is representing the server-side logic that is not reflected in the input parameters like the setting of the expiration date. The client can see the end result of the operation without having to replicate
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<div class="">Good question. Purge is associated with physically removing the object from the database where the delete could start an RGP lifecycle flow. An immediate delete (e.g. delete within the add grace period) is reflected by a “delete” with the op=“purge”;
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<div class="">Another good question. What if for some registries the domain is deleted instead of auto renewed at expiry? That would match the use of the “autoDelete” operation. Now, the “autoDelete” could include the purging of the object which would be
reflected by setting op=“purge”. The autoPurge operation is the server batch that physically purges the object (domain) at the end of the pendingDelete period. In this case the domain has been deleted, put through the RGP lifecycle flow, and is being purged
from the database. We wanted to handle both types of registries (auto renew and auto delete) as well as be able to identify the event when the object is purged from the database. I hope this makes sense.</div>
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<div class="">The first draft of the Change Poll EPP Extension ( <a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-change-poll-00" target="_blank" class="">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gould-change-poll-00</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>)
has been submitted to the IETF. I co-authored this draft with Trung Tran from Neustar to provide a mechanism within EPP to notify clients of any server-side change, including but not limited to regular batch processes, customer support actions, Uniform Domain-Name
Dispute-Resolution Policy (UDRP) or Uniform Rapid Suspension (URS) actions, court directed actions, and bulk updates based on customer requests. Since the client is not directly involved or knowledgable of these operations, the extension is used along with
an EPP object mapping to provide the resulting state of the post-operation object, and optionally a pre-operation object, with the operation meta-data of what, when, who, and why. We would like this draft to be included in a re-charting of the EPPEXT Working
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