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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s a problem that raises the issue of whether date data from the registrar should be preserved (at least for a time) in a thin-to-thick registry migration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Some registrars have dates that are out of synch with the Verisign registry. The registry dates should be authoritative. But when data’s out of synch it creates questions and problems for registrants. (Like, “My registrar told me my domain doesn’t expire for another week – what do you mean it expired three days ago?”) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s a real-life example, where NONE of the dates match: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>VERISIGN WHOIS SEZ:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Domain Name: DIRECTNIC.COM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Updated Date: 03-sep-2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Creation Date: 09-feb-2000<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Expiration Date: 09-feb-2017<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The REGISTRAR WHOIS SEZ:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Domain Name: DIRECTNIC.COM<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Updated Date: 2015-05-26T07:01:01-05:00<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Creation Date: 2000-05-25T05:45:12-05:00<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-05-25T05:45:12-05:00<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Greg <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Francisco Obispo<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 21, 2016 6:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Francisco Arias<br><b>Cc:</b> gtld-tech@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gtld-tech] Registrar Expiration Date I-D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p>I thought that in the <strong>thick</strong> model, the Registry was the only authoritative source for the expiration date of the domain name.<o:p></o:p></p><p>The documents linked there don’t provide an explanation on why the ‘registrar expiration date’, is needed at the registry level, they seem to focus on when but not on the why.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Can we just simply say that the <strong>Registrar Expiration Date</strong> Is not applicable at the registry level?<o:p></o:p></p><p>I’m just envisioning here having to implement yet-another-extension, and then try to get all RARs to update the information before a deadline, etc. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Can someone please clarify what it is that we’re trying to achieve here?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p><p>On 21 Jan 2016, at 14:54, Francisco Arias wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>Hi Ben and Michele,<o:p></o:p></p><p>The requirement has been discussed in the context of the Thick Whois Policy implementation. Please see <a href="https://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/thick-rdds-consensus-policy-draft-25nov15-en.pdf">https://whois.icann.org/sites/default/files/files/thick-rdds-consensus-policy-draft-25nov15-en.pdf</a>, particularly section 2.1, starting on page 8. By the way, this document is in public comment at <a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rdds-output-2015-12-03-en">https://www.icann.org/public-comments/rdds-output-2015-12-03-en</a> until 31 January.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p>--<br>Francisco<o:p></o:p></p><p>On 1/21/16, 2:30 PM, "<a href="mailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org">gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org</a><a href="mailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org">gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of Benoit Levac" <<a href="mailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org%3cmailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org">gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gtld-tech-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of <a href="mailto:benoit.levac@rightside.co">benoit.levac@rightside.co</a><a href="mailto:benoit.levac@rightside.co">benoit.levac@rightside.co</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p>Francisco,<o:p></o:p></p><p>I don't see any explanation for making registries store and publish the "Registrar Registration Expiration Date" in the "ICANN Thick Whois Policy Recommendation". What is the use case we are trying to solve for?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Ben<o:p></o:p></p><p>On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Francisco Arias <<a href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org%3cmailto:francisco.arias@icann.org">francisco.arias@icann.org<mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p>On 1/21/16, 11:59 AM, "Gustavo Lozano" <<a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org%3cmailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org">gustavo.lozano@icann.org<mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>Hello colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p><p>I uploaded an I-D<br>(<a href="http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lozano-ietf-eppext-registrar-expiration-date-">http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lozano-ietf-eppext-registrar-expiration-date-</a><br>00.txt) in order to define an EPP extension to support the transmission of<br>the registrar registration expiration date from the registrar to the<br>registry.<o:p></o:p></p><p>This extension is defined in order to support the ICANN Thick Whois Policy<br>Recommendation<br>(<a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/thick-final-21oct13-en.pdf">http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/thick-final-21oct13-en.pdf</a>) that<br>requires gTLD domain name registries to display the registrar registration<br>expiration date in the Registration Data Directory Service (e.g. Whois,<br>RDAP).<o:p></o:p></p><p>Your feedback is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regards,<br>Gustavo<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>--<br>Benoit Levac<br>VP Engineering, Registry Platform<br>Office | 425-298-2337<br>Mobile | 613-617-4416<o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="mailto:benoit.levac@rightside.co">benoit.levac@rightside.co</a><a href="mailto:benoit.levac@rightside.co">benoit.levac@rightside.co</a><br><a href="http://www.rightside.co">www.rightside.co</a><a href="http://www.rightside.co">http://www.rightside.co</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div style='border:solid #E5CFC3 1.5pt;border-bottom:solid #E5CFC3 1.0pt;padding:4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#F2E2DA'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium","sans-serif";color:black'>* PGP Signed by an unknown key<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border-top:1.0pt;border-left:1.5pt;border-bottom:1.0pt;border-right:1.5pt;border-color:#E5CFC3;border-style:solid;padding:14.0pt 14.0pt 14.0pt 17.0pt'><p style='line-height:9.0pt;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span class=txt><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Francisco Obispo</span></b></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1E1E1E'>CTO - Registry Operations</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br></span><span class=txt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#828282'>____________________________</span></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-line-height-alt:10.5pt;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><a href="http://www.uniregistry.com/"><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=165 height=40 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D15490.7907E780" alt=Uniregistry></span></a><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='line-height:10.5pt;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span class=txt><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>2161 San Joaquin Hills Road</span></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <br><span class=txt>Newport Beach, CA 92660</span> <br><br><span class=txt>Office +1 949 706 2300 x4202</span> <br></span><span class=txt><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#008443'><a href="mailto:fobispo@uniregistry.link">fobispo@uniregistry.link</a></span></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:solid #E5CFC3 1.5pt;border-top:solid #E5CFC3 1.0pt;padding:4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt 4.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#F2E2DA'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium","sans-serif";color:black'>* Unknown Key<br>* 0xB38DB1BE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>