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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The point was that domain expiration date should not be information only given to registrars who have the privilege of EPP access directly into a registry. It’s data that’s been in WHOIS for twenty years, and access to it via WHOIS should not be withdrawn.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Domain back-orders are usually placed before the expiration date, not in the 30 days after an auto-renewal, and not during pendingDelete. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Luis E. Muñoz [mailto:lem@uniregistry.link] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> Greg Aaron<br><b>Cc:</b> Antoin Verschuren; gtld-tech@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gtld-tech] Registrar Expiration Date I-D<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>On 27 Jan 2016, at 9:49, Greg Aaron wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>A) The current registrar and the current registrant are not the only parties <br>with an interest in a domain's expiration date. For example, other people <br>may want that domain when it expires. Gaining registrars like to see the <br>expiration date when processing inbound transfers. <br>B) A domain's expiration date can be gotten via EPP <info> command. No <br>reason to show expiration date in a <info> command but not in WHOIS. <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p>Wouldn’t (B) negate the “Gaining registrars” part of (A) as an argument? <o:p></o:p></p><p>Also, given the prevalence of auto-renewals, I would argue that WHOIS as it is today don’t work for prospective registrants interested in an unavailable name. They really have no further clue about when the domain will be available by looking at the expiration date alone. To that effect, showing the pendingDelete status in the WHOIS record is better for them, as it’s clear that the name won’t be auto-renewed and will become available at some point in the (near) future. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p style='mso-line-height-alt:9.0pt'><span class=address-sep><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Luis Muñoz</span></b></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1E1E1E'>Director, Registry Operations</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br></span><span class=txt><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#828282'>____________________________</span></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-line-height-alt:10.5pt'><a href="http://www.uniregistry.link/"><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=165 height=40 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D15906.BD17BB60" alt=Uniregistry></span></a><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='line-height:10.5pt'><span class=website-sep><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>2161 San Joaquin Hills Road</span></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><span class=website-sep>Newport Beach, CA 92660</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='line-height:10.5pt'><span class=txt><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Office +1 949 706 2300 x 4242</span></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><span class=txt><a href="mailto:lem@uniregistry.link">lem@uniregistry.link</a></span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>