[GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] renewal of .org registry

Greg Shatan greg at isoc-ny.org
Fri Apr 26 20:37:29 UTC 2019


I will hold my response (and I certainly do have one) until we identify the
proper forum and method of considering these issues.

Greg

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 4:12 PM cw at christopherwilkinson.eu <
cw at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:

> Eh bien, noyer le poisson.
>
> CW
>
> On 26 Apr 2019, at 20:11, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> wrote:
>
> Folks,
> Let's table this discussion until we can have a more thorough exploration
> of the issues. Email is a terrible way in which to have such a discussion.
> Threads get lost, broken, etc. and everyone is looking at this from a very
> narrow perspective. We owe it to our constituency to take a broader view
> and to spend the time getting it right.
> Jonathan
> ------------------------------
> *From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of
> Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2019 1:27 PM
> *To:* George Kirikos
> *Cc:* CPWG
> *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] renewal of .org registry
>
> George
>
> Are these end-user issues that apply to the comment that the CPWG
> initially proposed to add to the registry submissions about the pricing of
> domains? We seem to have gotten a bit off track.
>
> Maureen
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:35 AM George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:57 AM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:
> > Finally, this concern about protecting small non-profits from paying big
> bucks for domain names would seem a lot more genuine if it included support
> for price caps in the resale market (i.e., the secondary market or
> aftermarket).
>
> You're conflating 2 different issues, Greg. The registry operators
> charge *fees* for registry services (i.e. managing a central database,
> the zone file, the nameservers that spit back the nameservers for the
> various domain names in that registry). The market value of those
> services are below $1/yr/domain (e.g. 70 cents per domain per year for
> the .IN ccTLD, as per their recent tender won by Neustar).
>
> http://domainincite.com/23976-neustar-completes-in-migration
>
> The secondary market or aftermarket is a marketplace for the asset
> value of the domain names themselves, which is an entirely different
> market than that for registry services.
>
> To understand this distinction, consider a trademark registry, like
> the USPTO, which has a fee structure for the services they provide for
> the registration and maintenance of trademarks. Those fees are
> entirely unrelated to the value of the trademark itself. A trademark
> owned by Google for "GOOGLE" or by Nike for "JUST DO IT" has set fees,
> and Google or Nike are free to sell, assign, license, etc. those
> trademarks to others at whatever the market will bear. Companies like
> Hilco Streambank routinely auction off the IP of companies, including
> their trademarks, see:
>
> https://www.hilcostreambank.com/closed-deals
>
> and of course, owners of TMs do these kinds of transactions all the
> time. For example, Hooters sold their trademark for $60 million.
>
> https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2001/04/09/story1.html
>
> The same comparison exists for a land registry and houses. Or a
> copyright registry, and the copyrighted works. The story of the
> Beatles catalog makes interesting reading:
>
>
> https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7662519/beatles-catalog-paul-mccartney-brief-history-ownership
>
> and that catalog only has value due to the copyrights (once those
> copyrights expire, the works fall into the public domain, and the
> works are free for everyone to use).
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George Kirikos
> 416-588-0269
> http://www.leap.com/
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Greg Shatan
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