[GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Fwd: FW: Draft Comment on RA Renewals

Nadira Alaraj nadira.araj at gmail.com
Mon Apr 29 06:12:12 UTC 2019


Dear Greg and all,

I do encourage you to provide a comment on UA of .ORG.
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 08:14 Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:

> I would be happy, Marita, to beef up the last line of the comment and make
> that aspect more substantial generally!   Please send your editorial
> suggestions.  As for what ICANN should do, one possibility is that ICANN
> reserves the right to roll back price increases, in whole or in part, if
> the price hikes are abusive or discriminatory.
>
> All, I still hope that there is room for a comment here.  It would be
> particularly unfortunate if we fail to comment on the .ORG renewal.
> Roberto’s email encapsulates many of the reasons why.  I look at ISOC as
> almost a sister organization of At-Large.  As Roberto points out, ISOC
> works to accomplish many goals that it shares with At-Large.  ISOC also
> supports the IETF and even provides its corporate “home.”   PIR runs on
> similar principles.  PIR is not a run of the mill commercial registry.  In
> many ways, it was put into business by ISOC.  Yet the essence of the
> concerted campaign against .ORG is that PIR can’t be trusted to abstain
> from massive price increases, that ISOC could and possibly would push it to
> do so, and that ISOC is a parasitical organization sucking money out of
> other non-profits. I feel like we would be throwing ISOC under the bus if
> we fail to comment on the .ORG renewal in particular.  [Disclosure: I am
> the President & Chair of an At Large Structure that is also an ISOC
> Chapter, ISOC-NY.]
>
> Originally, my draft dealt only with .org.  We could just go back to that
> focus.  We can leave a general discussion of price caps to one side if we
> don’t expand this to .biz and .info (and .asia doesn’t have price caps now).
>
> Based on the discussions we had, I aimed to limit the comment to the
> concrete issues raised by the agreement rather than go beyond the agreement
> to some of the broader registry issues.  But that’s a question of approach
> and I’m fine with a broader statement.   Alternatively, we could decide not
> to comment on .biz and .info at all, limit the current statement to .org,
> and put in a brief UA statement for .asia.   But first we would have to get
> any drafts, revisions, etc. out on the table so we can see what we’re
> dealing with.
>
> Even asking for an extension is a double-edged sword, since that keeps the
> doors open for more of the cut-and-paste comments that have been filed in
> opposition to these renewals.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 2:34 AM Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>
>> I am reading powerful arguments on both sides of this issue and then
>> reading Greg's proposed comment again. In the particular case of .org, and
>> should we decide to go in the direction that Greg has mapped, would it be
>> possible to beef up the last line. It seems like a throw away but it could
>> be a good bridge between the opposing points of view. The comment asks that
>> ICANN "monitor" future price increases and any market responses to those
>> increases. What should ICANN do if it decides the increases are unwarranted?
>>
>> @Christopher -- eh bien, le poisson est encore vivant !!
>>
>>
>> Marita
>> On 4/26/2019 5:41 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:
>>
>> Justine,
>>
>> Thank you for your kind words and helpful comments.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the “party” got rained out.  The CPWG decided not to
>> approve this statement, whether it covers all the renewals or is limited to
>> .ORG.  So nothing is being sent to the ALAC for their consideration. I
>> think it’s a good statement, and it would be made better with your
>> suggestions.  I am considering revising this draft, cutting the subject
>> back to .ORG and submitting it individually.  Also, circulating it for
>> others to submit — either individually or with multiple signatures.
>>
>> In particular, I am concerned there are a number of comments being made
>> that tend to denigrate PIR and ISOC.  This is something I would like to
>> counter.  [Full disclosure: I am the President of ISOC-NY (an At-Large
>> Structure) and participate here in that capacity.  However, I have not yet
>> asked the ISOC-NY Board to consider endorsing this statement, so I am
>> discussing it here in my individual capacity.]. I honestly think much of
>> what has been said about PIR and ISOC has been untrue or exaggerated and
>> fails to to give credit to ISOC for its mission and unique place in the
>> internet ecosystem.
>>
>> I believe that PIR was hoping for a comment along the lines of our first
>> draft (which I believe they saw on our site) or our second draft.  I’m not
>> comfortable leaving PIR and ISOC to be “thrown under the bus” by
>> ill-informed and prejudicial comments.  If ALAC will not comment (or more
>> precisely, if the CPWG wont send ALAC a draft comment for their
>> consideration), then it behooves those who support this statement to submit
>> it or use it as a basis for their own comments.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:02 AM Justine Chew <justine.chew at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to Greg Shatan for the 24 April draft statement.
>>>
>>> My comments / suggestion are as follows:-
>>>
>>> 1. I wonder if it might be better to prepare (and submit) 2 statements
>>> instead of a consolidated one ie. one to address .BIZ, .ORG and .INFO and
>>> another for .ASIA.. This is because .ASIA had a "different playing field of
>>> no price caps" to begin with and in this way, any concerns about price cap
>>> removals for .BIZ, .ORG and .INFO can be addressed squarely in comparison
>>> with .NET and with reference to the ALAC's 2017 comment. Given that we
>>> don't seem to be offering comments to the inclusion of some RPMs.
>>>
>>> 2. In any case, the draft starts with "Background" but doesn't indicate
>>> where that backgrounder ends and where the present comment begins.
>>>
>>> 3. Related to the point about standardizing RAs as being a good
>>> approach, it be useful to draw attention to the use of Addendums as the
>>> controlled means for handling necessary variations.
>>>
>>> 4. Would it not be incumbent on At-Large to also support (or least
>>> comment on) regularizing the inclusion of PICs in these RA renewals (if
>>> any)?
>>>
>>> 5. As for UA, it's not clear (to me at least) what we want all ROs to do
>>> about it at this point. Given community interest on UA has increased
>>> further in recent meetings, actual responsibilities might be better framed
>>> in due course. So, it may be prudent to tackle the inclusion of UA into the
>>> base Registry Agreement by amending Specification 6, or possibly by way of
>>> a consensus policy addition in Specification 1, at a later date.
>>>
>>> Justine
>>> (my apologies for being late to the "party")
>>>
>>> -----
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 04:15, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu at icann.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Greg; this draft ALAC Statement on the 4 Registry Agreement
>>>> Public Comments is posted to each workspace, for comment:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At-Large Workspace: Proposed Renewal of .biz Registry Agreement
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Proposed+Renewal+of+.biz+Registry+Agreement>
>>>>
>>>> At-Large Workspace: Proposed Renewal of .asia Registry Agreement
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Proposed+Renewal+of+.asia+Registry+Agreement>
>>>>
>>>> At-Large Workspace: Proposed Renewal of .org Registry Agreement
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Proposed+Renewal+of+.org+Registry+Agreement>
>>>>
>>>> At-Large Workspace: Proposed Renewal of .info Registry Agreement
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Proposed+Renewal+of+.info+Registry+Agreement>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Evin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of
>>>> Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org>
>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 2:44 PM
>>>> *To: *CPWG <cpwg at icann.org>, Evin Erdogdu <evin.erdogdu at icann.org>,
>>>> Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
>>>> *Subject: *[GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Fwd: FW: Draft Comment on RA Renewals
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Please see attached.*
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Greg Shatan
>>>>
>>>> greg at isoc-ny.org
>>>>
>>>> President, ISOC-NY
>>>>
>>>> *"The Internet is for everyone"*
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