[GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Yet Further Revised Draft Statement on .ORG Renewal to also cover .BIZ and .INFO Renewals

Greg Shatan greg at isoc-ny.org
Wed May 1 18:51:45 UTC 2019


Justine,

Thank you so much for keeping the ball rolling!  I will pick it up again
shortly.

Greg

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 9:34 AM Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Justine for the revised draft and for the inclusion of UA into the
> comments which is something I have been suggesting. It looks good
>
> Best
> Judith
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Judith at jhellerstein.com
> Skype ID:Judithhellerstein
>
> On May 1, 2019, at 8:57 AM, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Justine, Greg and all for a well thoughtful statement.
> Also for the inclusion of a clause on the UA, which I believe is important
> as it goes with ICANN direction of the new strategy.
> Nadira
>
> On Wed, May 1, 2019, 12:32 Justine Chew <justine.chew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Firstly, I note that there may well be more than 1 email thread within
>> the CPWG mail list discussing the .ORG RA renewal (and/or other RA
>> renewals). So, there is a certainly the chance I have not been able to
>> follow every one of them.
>>
>> Secondly, I am responding (partly) to *Bastiaan's and Holly's* request
>> for a re-draft of Greg's 30 April draft, and *Olivier's* request
>> regarding registry fees payable to ICANN Org, which I have (almost)
>> completed, and attach herewith is my two-cents' worth copy of the re-draft
>> (marked as v4, and both redlined and clean copies). The reasons I say
>> "partly" and "almost" are as follows:-
>>
>> 1. I have removed all references to .asia as there is an existing draft
>> statement specifically for the .asia RA renewal, prepared by *Maureen*.
>>
>> 2. Thanking Greg for incorporating my suggestion to include a reference
>> in support of the regularization of PICs into the proposed RA renewals, I
>> have since suggested that we also support the regularization of a few other
>> aspects in the RA renewals. These, including that of PICs, are set out
>> under section (I) of the copy.
>>
>> 3. In respect of price cap debate, I have now set out the different
>> opinions and bases in section (II) including a third which suggests a
>> deferment of the price cap removal with conditions. However, section (II)
>> is incomplete because:-
>> (a) As this point, I still do not know the conclusion for the group
>> supporting removing price caps.
>> (b) I will qualify by saying that I do not know if the suggestion to
>> defer removal is intrinsically linked to one (or more) request for economic
>> study or not. Instead I have based the deferment suggestion on the notion
>> of fairness.
>>
>> As such, the key portions touching on these two points are marked in
>> yellow highlights for ease of locating.
>>
>> 4. I have included under section (III) the request for registry fees
>> payable to ICANN Org to be adjusted for inflation on an *annual basis
>> and for this adjustment to also be adopted in the base RA*.
>> Olivier/others should indicate whether section (III) is acceptable.
>>
>> 5. I have also included under section (IV) a comment about UA which I
>> think is general enough to be relevant.
>>
>> *I am handing this v4 over to Greg for settling since he is the
>> designated penholder in this case. Thanks, Greg!*
>>
>> Thank you all in advance for your consideration. I am hoping that the
>> attachments will get through the mailing list. If not, please refer to the
>> relevant wiki workspace:
>> https://community.icann.org/x/-oSGBg
>>
>> Justine Chew
>> -----
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 16:49, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, despite presumptive renewal, ICANN is under no obligation to renew
>>>
>>> Jonathan Zuck
>>> Executive Director
>>> Innovators Network Foundation
>>> www.Innovatorsnetwork.org
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of
>>> Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 1, 2019 12:43:12 AM
>>> *To:* Greg Shatan; Maureen Hilyard
>>> *Cc:* CPWG
>>> *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Further
>>> Revised Draft Statement on .ORG Renewal
>>>
>>> The problem with a post-removal study is what do you do if you find
>>> things have gone south. What is the recourse?
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> At 30/04/2019 12:50 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> A few responses to the various earlier emails.
>>>
>>> @Ricardo, Good point.  I think it makes sense to call for several
>>> studies over time, rather than a single study.
>>>
>>> @Olivier, My omission of your contribution was an oversight, not a
>>> conclusion that the view lacked support or was off-topic.  My apologies. I,
>>> for one, would be happy to add something on Registry fees to the draft.
>>> Please provide text or point me to the best iteration of your suggested
>>> text (which I missed, sadly).  Or I can take what is in Justine’s draft.
>>>
>>> Personally, I am not in favor of doing an economic study before removing
>>> the price cap.  As Jonathan notes, this work has already been done.  My
>>> thought was to have a study done in “real time,†based on observing the
>>> domain name market(s) after the caps were lifted, so that the effects could
>>> be accurately observed and analyzed, and used to inform future action.
>>> Predictive studies are by their nature speculative, and can more easily be
>>> bent in one direction or the other.. They tend to be more successful and
>>> reliable when the study structure and method is well-understood and
>>> time-tested (e.g., a pre-merger analysis).  A predictive study here may
>>> prove far less reliable and useful, given the number of variables and
>>> inputs and the novelty of the study.  I also think it’s an unrealistic
>>> request.  But as penholder, I will draft whatever the consensus becomes.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:11 PM Maureen Hilyard <
>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you, John. I think a consensus call on the document will be
>>> required  from this session because the extension we requested closes soon
>>> after and Evin has to prepare the doc for submission. We can do
>>> ratification by the ALAC after the fact but a recorded consensus would be
>>> helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:50 AM John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Maureen,
>>>
>>> In the event that you're not at tomorrow's meeting, do you want me to
>>> take any action on your behalf as vice chair?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>>>
>>> John Laprise, Ph.D.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 9:59 AM Maureen Hilyard <
>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I like this version Greg .
>>>
>>> In case I can't make tomorrow's CPWG meeting.  I believe the new version
>>> provides a good compromise of the different views that have been presented
>>> by the CPWG discussants. I like the idea of an economic study as well as
>>> Marita's suggestion to delay any change until the results of such a study
>>> were revealed.
>>> I also prefer putting the RAs under one umbrella statement. The separate
>>> .asia statement reinforces support for the inclusion of UA. Anything else
>>> that is relevant would be in the general ALAC RA statement.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:14 PM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I am attaching another, further revised draft public comment on the .ORG
>>> renewal, after sifting through the various recent conversations on the
>>> list.   I will try to circulate a redline in the morning, New York time,
>>> but can't right now.
>>>
>>> I thought about including something on UA, but for .ORG and in the
>>> absence of proposed language, I did not see the obvious hook in this
>>> statement to bring that concept in.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
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