[GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Yet Even Further Revised Statement

Greg Shatan greg at isoc-ny.org
Fri May 3 17:17:20 UTC 2019


I don’t think this is a fair characterization of the document:

Sometimes, long sections of the text are used to speak to one side of
an issue, but much less is spent discussing the other side of that
issue. e.g. the document stretches to include every possible
justification for allowing unlimited fee increases, but doesn't point
to the strong arguments on the other side, reflected not only in my
statement, but the statement of thousands of members of the public.

The intent of the document, as revised, was to describe the significant
strands of thought being considered in At-Large, not every position taken
by anyone.  The arguments on the “other side” (though I think there are
more than two sides here, I assume you mean your side) didn’t get
significant traction.  I think “the *statement* of thousands of members of
the public” is an unintentionally accurate description of what has been
submitted, since a great number of the comments were generated using the
tool on the ICA website and are thus identical (or to be fair, use one of
four variations kindly supplied by ICA).

The $1.00 idea, dealt with elsewhere, is bunk.

In a consensus driven process, not everyone involved will end up supporting
the consensus.  But that is not a reason not to submit the consensus
document.

Best regards,

Greg

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:54 AM John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your input George. We will take it into consideration.
>
> I would note that your statement regarding a statement from a collective
> group is exactly how the ALAC functions in practice as described in the
> bylaws and humbly submit that your argument is with them.
>
>
> Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>
> John Laprise, Ph.D.
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019, 1:00 PM George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
>
>> Would folks please send whatever version is being contemplated for
>> discussion using the open PDF format? I don't use Microsoft Word, and
>> different viewers that I'm trying to read these documents (Google
>> Docs, ChromeOS' reader, etc.) are giving different results, with some
>> words completely disappearing in some documents.
>>
>> I noticed some of the wording has changed, too, and overall disapprove
>> of the document, for reasons previously explained (e.g. imposition of
>> the URS, and the fee increases), as per my own public comments:
>>
>>
>> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-org-renewal-18mar19/2019q2/003178.html
>>
>> Sometimes, long sections of the text are used to speak to one side of
>> an issue, but much less is spent discussing the other side of that
>> issue. e.g. the document stretches to include every possible
>> justification for allowing unlimited fee increases, but doesn't point
>> to the strong arguments on the other side, reflected not only in my
>> statement, but the statement of thousands of members of the public.
>>
>> Nowhere does it mention that under a competitive tender, for example,
>> that registry fees would be less than $1.00 per domain name per year,
>> and that registry operators are already making enormous profits. All
>> the arguments have already been posted.
>>
>> For the record, as discussed previously, I don't support a statement
>> being made as a collective group. Folks should have made individual
>> statements, if they felt strongly about the issue, and thereby attach
>> their own name to their own statement, rather than purport to
>> represent a consensus of 3.9 billion or more users.
>>
>>
>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/273018/number-of-internet-users-worldwide/
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> George Kirikos
>> 416-588-0269
>> http://www.leap.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 1:29 PM Judith Hellerstein
>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > HI Greg,
>> >
>> > This is an excellent statement.  I have made some grammatical changes
>> to the document and have attached these as a revision in track changes
>> >
>> > See all at 4pm
>> >
>> > Judith
>> >
>> >
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>> > On 5/2/2019 12:04 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:
>> >
>> > All,
>> >
>> > Building on Justine’s excellent last draft, I have edited and revised
>> the draft somewhat for consideration on today’s call.  The redline is
>> attached.  i will send a clean and a PDF asap.
>> >
>> > I look forward to today’s call.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Greg
>> > --
>> > Greg Shatan
>> > greg at isoc-ny.org
>> > President, ISOC-NY
>> > "The Internet is for everyone"
>> >
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