[GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Geo Names Scenarios

John McCormac jmcc at hosterstats.com
Mon Aug 5 20:11:35 UTC 2019

On 05/08/2019 20:07, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
> *Folks,*
> On Wednesday’s call, I hope to circulate the link to a survey, for 
> everyone to spread to the community, regarding Geo Names scenarios. In 
> an effort to get past the rhetoric and down to brass tacks, as we say, 
> we’re looking at “outcomes” that we may or may not like. If we we are 
> able to identify the outcomes we won’t and don’t want, we can set about 
> crafting policy recommendations, if not for subproc than at least the 
> board, that would most likely lead to those outcomes. Hope that makes 
> sense. Remember the questions we will aks about each scenario are:
>  1. Do you believe this scenario to be likely, given the status quo?
>  2. How satisfied would you be with this scenario?

It looks very much like an angels and pinheads situation with a lot of 
hypotheticals. Some of the existing Geo NGTs are not doing well and it 
might be better to examine the reasons for this before going off on a 
tangent about hypothetical situations that may or may not affect a 
second round of NGTs.

On item 1: people in many areas outside the US consider their local 
ccTLD to be the first choice TLD. Having millions of domains in a geo 
database might be impressive but the Internet, and most people in those 
regions will just ignore it and continue using their local ccTLD. (By 
the way, .NAME is a real gTLD so it might better to use .EXAMPLE for 

On item 2: Duplication. Capital city names are not necessarily unique. I 
think that the guys from .BERLIN explained the process of having to get 
permission from the city council/authorities before applying for the NGT.

On item 3: Doesn't the Catholic Church have .CATHOLIC?

On item 4: More rules and regulations for non-existent NGTs? Go look at 
the structure of the .US ccTLD. It was intended to have a kind of 
geographical and regulatory subdomains structure. The problem is that 
TLDs tend towards simplicity. Brand names and business names matter in 
most TLDs and trying to impose subdomains is not a good approach because 
people generally ignore them. Worst of all, it creates confusion for the 
NGT and opens the possibility of multiple pricing tiers.

The assumptions in this hypothetical seem to be based on the 
non-existence of ccTLDs as a direct competitor to Geo NGTs.

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