[GTLD-WG] [CPWG] New gTLD Applicant Support - improve it, or scrap it?

Nadira Alaraj nadira.araj at gmail.com
Wed Aug 7 06:23:18 UTC 2019


Dear Maureen and all,
Please can anyone lead me to the definition of "end-users" from the
At-large perspective?

I don't want to dwell into what I heard At-large end-users could be because
I might be misinformed.

Having such definition makes the many discussions I've been reading since I
joined At-large of greater focus.

If there are no end-user definition for AT-large, I suggest to add this on
the agenda item for ATLAS III.

Best wishes to all,
Nadira

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 09:01 Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Evan, in my example cos I am always looking at what is happening in my
> backyard, what I am saying too is that end-users in my space don't care,
> but that's because they are unaware. They don't know what they should be
> caring about. But that doesn't mean that if they had genuine support BEFORE
> the application process to understand what ICANN and the domain system and
> new gtlds were all about, then they might care.  So I don't think that
> At-Large should drop it at all. So what  "support" do we give to
> PRE-Applicants?
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 7:49 PM Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>
>> In my many years of being involved in ICANN, I have rarely seen my point
>> of view so mischaracterised. The very subject line of this thread indicates
>> IMO a significant lack of grasp of my core point and indeed a substantial
>> mis-framing of the debate I had hoped to initiate.
>>
>> Let me be clear: I am neither for improvement of nor scrapping Applicant
>> Support.
>>
>> My challenge is whether a non-registrant end-user interest exists in this
>> either way, and whether ALAC has credibility to pass judgement on the
>> program at all as part  of its bylaw mandate. IMO, this is an issue of
>> interest to other ICANN constituencies but the end-user constituency has no
>> stake in how it is resolved. My response to "improve or scrap?" is "it
>> doesn't matter".
>>
>> That is the point I was making on last week's call, not that we change
>> our opinion but that we simply withdraw and assert no opinion. The question
>> at hand is not "is Applicant support worthwhile" but "do end users care if
>> there is applicant support or not". Never once in the recent debate have I
>> advocated that AS was inherently wrong. I just question our continued focus
>> on a question that -- given the new facts and evidence at hand since the
>> rollout of that gTLD round -- has demonstrated no positive or negative
>> consequences for end users.
>> My advocacy here is for ALAC to be selective in addressing only issues in
>> which end-users have a genuine stake in the outcomes. I assert that this
>> issue (Applicant support) is only the first identified ALAC issue in which
>> end users have no justification to claim interest. I have commented
>> elsewhere on a second issue of this type, geoname TLDs, as chapter 2 of the
>> theme of "not my circus, not my monkeys". They're not our fights, and we
>> demean our credibility elsewhere when we assert otherwise.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> - Evan
>>
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