[GTLD-WG] [CPWG] reference list re: amazon PICs

Evan Leibovitch evanleibovitch at gmail.com
Wed Oct 2 02:22:28 UTC 2019


Wouldn't change a word.
It's a volunteer-time sinkhole.

+1

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On Sun., Sep. 29, 2019, 12:08 p.m. Carlton Samuels, <
carlton.samuels at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Marita:
> To answer you directly, yes, I do not see any useful movement coming. So
> conserve the energy.
>
> We have been down the road before. The history is that during the
> horsetrading of what was the 2012 round, this entire idea and process was,
> IMHO, just something thrown on for 'feel good', for stickiness and to get
> ICANN over a hump. The right "optics" was the most important objective. And
> the applicants for strings grabbed it like a drowning man grabs at straws
> floating in the ocean.  It worked.
>
> Voluntary or contracted, it does not matter. The problem is enforcement.
> And, the mechanisms for enforcement.
>
> First of all, the voluntary ones were just that. Except the sleight of
> hand that somehow their status was elided to become "enforceable" under
> contract. The nature of the "contracted" ones are that they make up and are
> part of the business model of the registry. Those present a few
> difficulties for me.
>
> First, I'm philosophically opposed to ICANN regulating a business model.
> Because that inures to the position that ICANN is picking 'winners and
> losers' in the DNS marketplace. You can't be both free marketer and what
> amounts to being a freebooter at once.
>
> Next, and the substantive point. In respect of PICDRP, look at who has
> standing to make the complaint. And, to be the principal adjudicator of
> said complaint. And, who bears the costs for that adjudication.  Always
> follow the money. For in the end, it is the most compelling factor.
>
> In my view, there are more than may reasons why this is a dog that won't
> hunt. First, ICANN org has shown very little appetite to enforce these
> contracts to the "t". And if that must be done at their cost, I can build
> you a thousand reasons to find that 'unhelpful'.  Bottomline, diminishing
> returns, much ado about nothing. And, not worth the energy of the few.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Best,
> -Carlton
>
> ==============================
> *Carlton A Samuels*
>
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>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 2:13 AM Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>
>> So, is your recommendation that we just not bother getting into this? You
>> will know that there is a pic dispute resolution process. You are saying
>> this is not adequate?
>>
>> It is a serious question. I don't have a strong sense yet, from the
>> community, about our role in this process. In fact, in the processes
>> offered to address it, the ICANN application comment form (see below) it
>> looks like only individuals can send in comments.
>>
>> Marita
>> On 9/27/2019 12:45 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>>
>> The PICs live and die on enforcement.  Long ago, I declared them to be
>> not 'worth a bucket of warm spit'.
>>
>> You needn't be clairvoyant or particularly prescient to see the
>> enforcement mechanism would have been useless for those who are aggrieved
>> unless there are third party enforcement rights of action.
>>
>> -Carlton
>>
>> ==============================
>> *Carlton A Samuels*
>>
>> *Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment &
>> Turnaround*
>> =============================
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 10:48 AM Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and
>>> secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue
>>>
>>> Primary sources:
>>>
>>> *Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board  May 15, 2019
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c
>>>
>>> *Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17apr19-en.pdf
>>>
>>> *Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19-en.pdf
>>>
>>> *ICANN Application comment form
>>>
>>> https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login
>>>
>>> Secondary sources:
>>>
>>> *Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019
>>>
>>> www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html
>>>
>>>
>>> *Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started
>>> yet
>>>
>>> Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019
>>>
>>>
>>> domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet
>>>
>>> *Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government
>>> outrage
>>>
>>> Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019
>>>
>>>
>>> domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage
>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approving_amazon_for_amazon_inc/>
>>>
>>>
>>> *.amazon domains are getting closer
>>>
>>> Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019
>>>
>>>
>>> https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are-getting-closer/
>>>
>>> *Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses
>>> to delay decision any further
>>>
>>> Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019
>>>
>>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/
>>>
>>>
>>> *ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed
>>> following 30 days of public comment
>>>
>>> May 20, 2019
>>>
>>>
>>> www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for_dot_amazon_can_proceed/
>>>
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