[ICANN Academy WG] post to list regarding pilot SO/AC Leadership training in Toronto

[Hong Xue]

Hi, always agree to keep the long-term goal but we may wish to think
about right now what role to play in the upcoming Pilot project in
Toronto. The staff has stated clearly in Prague that she (they) would
be responsible for designing the curriculum. Then what can we do? We
haven't been "invited" to involve yet. Are we observers?

Hong

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Professor Dr. Hong Xue
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Beijing Normal University
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On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In understand compromise, even when executed in a very top down way - at the point of a Board decision.
>
> And I understand the sensitivities of an education program as I was one of the leads on the IETF Educational Team, a group of volunteers, for a number of years.
>
> At this point I think we should get back to work on the long term academy, although in an expanded mode that covers all participants not just the At-Large segment of that population.
>
> And if the staff asks for some help on their pilot, we should consider helping if we can do so while remaining consistent with longer term goals.
>
> avri
>
> On 5 Jul 2012, at 20:46, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I partly share Avri's points below which are, as usual, compelling.
>>
>> From a broader observer perspective, I am not aware about any other ALAC initiative or project so far that showed a comparable impact in such a short time (from the first direct discussions and mandate in Singapore last year, the start-up project outline in August and the creation of the WG in Dakar etc.). To me (and various political experience in other fields), it was conceivable that the last details and implementation steps would be the most difficult and complex ones -- once such an initiative needs approval from other constituencies. As we all know, there are no miracles at ICANN besides compromises. And the implementation phase just follows usual ICANN procedures (like take-over by staff in charge) so far. What may not be the perpetual solution for the future?
>>
>> And once again, I tend to disagree with Che Guevara who said "ideas will die, once they become compromises". I think in a multi-stakeholder environment we need to learn to live with such compromises -- even in regard of such great ideas like our academy proposal.
>>
>> Best,
>> Wolf
>>
>>
>> Avri Doria wrote Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:40
>>> (...)
>>>
>>> I have to say I have a problem seeing how this can be a step in testing the concept when someone who has not been part of that process is the decision maker in the pilot.  This is not about the WG doing something with staff help.  This is a staff program that may or may not ask for help.
>>>
>>> If I understand the progression:
>>>
>>> - The academy effort starts out as a way to educate the At-Large community on ICANN in the general IG environment
>>> - We become convinced that we should pilot this as program for newly s/elected volunteer leadership
>>> - We start to focus and narrow down to just the leadership program
>>> - We are told that since it is now about the whole leadership we MUST bring in all the other SO/ACs
>>> - We get bogged down and stops making progress on planning a pilot because we need time to include all the other  SO/ACs. No criticism just fact of organizational life: charge structure -> burn a minimum of 3-6+ months in a schedule.
>>> - The program gets funded as a Staff run program partly because there isn't enough time anymore and the Academy WG isn't getting anything finished.
>>> - Staff is now in a rush mode that is going to get something or other done by Toronto
>>>
>>> It is nice that the board said what it did, but I still see this as something other than what we started working on.
>>> And I think we are still in the position of waiting to see what help, if any, the staff ends up requesting from the newly enlarged WG.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
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