[ICANN Academy WG] RES: post to list regarding pilot SO/AC Leadership training in Toronto

Thu Jul 12 13:01:50 UTC 2012

We should include how the SOs, ACs, Board and staff work together in unison
to get things done in ICANN. What is the process flow between them.
Terminology such as PDPs, Frameworks of Interpretation, WGs, Study groups,
Council vs. Constituencies, etc. should be interpolated when explaining the
processes. Also, there should be something about how to use the wiki's and
how are they organized?

-ed

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Vanda UOL <vanda at uol.com.br> wrote:

>  Hi all,
> I do believe we will be there to teach. Each one shall design your
> expertise
> and offer to teach. That is what we can really do.
> Let´s  considering also we demand to staff to include some issues we can
> debate. For instante we shall teach intelectual property issues related to
> names & numbers; we can teach security issues approach, we can talk about
> the whole of ICANN, the whole of IGF, etc etc. someone can talk about
> registrars, ISPs, registries, etc, and we will be the teachers. That the
> way
> I see it quite easy to start in Toronto.
> Best,
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> [mailto:at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org]
> Em
> nome de Hong Xue
> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 6 de julho de 2012 08:38
> Para: Avri Doria
> Cc: at-large-icann-academy-ad-hoc-wg at icann.org
> Assunto: Re: [ICANN Academy WG] post to list regarding pilot SO/AC
> Leadership training in Toronto
>
> Hi, always agree to keep the long-term goal but we may wish to think about
> right now what role to play in the upcoming Pilot project in Toronto. The
> staff has stated clearly in Prague that she (they) would be responsible for
> designing the curriculum. Then what can we do? We haven't been "invited" to
> involve yet. Are we observers?
>
> Hong
>
> --
> Professor Dr. Hong Xue
> Director of Institute for the Internet Policy & Law (IIPL) Beijing Normal
> University http://www.iipl.org.cn/
> 19 Xin Jie Kou Wai Street
> Beijing 100875 China
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > In understand compromise, even when executed in a very top down way - at
> the point of a Board decision.
> >
> > And I understand the sensitivities of an education program as I was one
> of
> the leads on the IETF Educational Team, a group of volunteers, for a number
> of years.
> >
> > At this point I think we should get back to work on the long term
> academy,
> although in an expanded mode that covers all participants not just the
> At-Large segment of that population.
> >
> > And if the staff asks for some help on their pilot, we should consider
> helping if we can do so while remaining consistent with longer term goals.
> >
> > avri
> >
> > On 5 Jul 2012, at 20:46, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I partly share Avri's points below which are, as usual, compelling.
> >>
> >> From a broader observer perspective, I am not aware about any other ALAC
> initiative or project so far that showed a comparable impact in such a
> short
> time (from the first direct discussions and mandate in Singapore last year,
> the start-up project outline in August and the creation of the WG in Dakar
> etc.). To me (and various political experience in other fields), it was
> conceivable that the last details and implementation steps would be the
> most
> difficult and complex ones -- once such an initiative needs approval from
> other constituencies. As we all know, there are no miracles at ICANN
> besides
> compromises. And the implementation phase just follows usual ICANN
> procedures (like take-over by staff in charge) so far. What may not be the
> perpetual solution for the future?
> >>
> >> And once again, I tend to disagree with Che Guevara who said "ideas will
> die, once they become compromises". I think in a multi-stakeholder
> environment we need to learn to live with such compromises -- even in
> regard
> of such great ideas like our academy proposal.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Wolf
> >>
> >>
> >> Avri Doria wrote Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:40
> >>> (...)
> >>>
> >>> I have to say I have a problem seeing how this can be a step in testing
> the concept when someone who has not been part of that process is the
> decision maker in the pilot.  This is not about the WG doing something with
> staff help.  This is a staff program that may or may not ask for help.
> >>>
> >>> If I understand the progression:
> >>>
> >>> - The academy effort starts out as a way to educate the At-Large
> >>> community on ICANN in the general IG environment
> >>> - We become convinced that we should pilot this as program for newly
> >>> s/elected volunteer leadership
> >>> - We start to focus and narrow down to just the leadership program
> >>> - We are told that since it is now about the whole leadership we
> >>> MUST bring in all the other SO/ACs
> >>> - We get bogged down and stops making progress on planning a pilot
> because we need time to include all the other  SO/ACs. No criticism just
> fact of organizational life: charge structure -> burn a minimum of 3-6+
> months in a schedule.
> >>> - The program gets funded as a Staff run program partly because there
> isn't enough time anymore and the Academy WG isn't getting anything
> finished.
> >>> - Staff is now in a rush mode that is going to get something or
> >>> other done by Toronto
> >>>
> >>> It is nice that the board said what it did, but I still see this as
> something other than what we started working on.
> >>> And I think we are still in the position of waiting to see what help,
> if
> any, the staff ends up requesting from the newly enlarged WG.
> >>>
> >>> avri
> >>>
> >>>
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