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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A few comments/questions to the new proposed recommendation for ref. second level LGRs<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>“<i>TLD registries should collaborate to review and contribute to the development of reference second level LGRs so that these meet the expectations of the community.”<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Who is the community and what are these expectations? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>“The TLD registries are encouraged to adopt these LGRs, because having common LGRs provides a predictable and consistent end-user experience.“<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t see how having common LGRs provide a predictable and consistent end-user experience. Registry operators do not control the user experience, registrars do. Registrars can choose which TLDs to offer, whether to offer premium names
or not, etc, so potentially two exact same TLDs have different inventory of names depending upon a registrar implementation. Our industry’s distribution model inheritably does not offer a consistent and predictable user experience.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>“In cases where the TLD registries decide to deviate from these reference second level LGRs to suit the particular needs of their specific communities, they should publish and highlight the deviation from the reference LGRs for the
general end-users to better understand any differences in LGRs across the TLDs.”</i></b><b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The current IDN guidelines require registry operators to offer IDNs in “strict compliance” of IDNA2008 and Spec 6 of the Registry Agreement also states that registry operators “shall comply” with IDN2008 and its successors. If IDNA2008
already dictates which code points are valid and advices registry operators to “permit character from scripts that are well-understood by the registry or its advisers” why would this working group require registry operators that implement an IDN table that
deviates from a LGR (i.e. a reference table), but is in compliance of IDNA2008, to explain the deviations? Furthermore, IDN tables are required to be published at the IANA repository so registrants and the general public can review them at their own convenience.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-Dennis<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black"><idngwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain@icann.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 6:30 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"idngwg@icann.org" <idngwg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Idngwg] meeting notes from 14 July 2016</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Kal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dear All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Please find attached the updated version of the document for discussion today. </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Per the tasks from last meeting, edits include:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">RFC 7940 for LGR </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">Updated Recommendation 6 by Kal, in Section 2.4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">Updated Recommendation 9, in Section 2.4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">New recommendation on reference second level LGRs in Section 2.4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In addition to the wording of the recommendation, we also need to define a section in the guidelines where these recommendations should be listed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards,<br>
Sarmad</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>From:</b> idngwg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:idngwg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Feher, Kal<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 28, 2016 10:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> idngwg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Idngwg] meeting notes from 14 July 2016<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">During the last meeting, I think a few of us felt that this recommendation was an awkward fit for 'Section 2.4 Consistency'. This recommendation, if followed, will improve
a user's understanding of the language table and how it is implemented in the registry and DNS. So it is more about education than collaboration/consistency. While I think the recommendation has merit and should remain in the guidelines in some form, it should
probably be in a section related to user acceptance or Registrant interaction with IDN based registries.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</b><span style="color:black"><<a href="mailto:idngwg-bounces@icann.org">idngwg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Sarmad Hussain <<a href="mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org">sarmad.hussain@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, 24 July 2016 at 21:14<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:idngwg@icann.org">idngwg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:idngwg@icann.org">idngwg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Idngwg] meeting notes from 14 July 2016</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dear All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">Wael also attended this meeting. The updated version of the meeting notes has been uploaded at the wiki page.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards,<br>
Sarmad</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:idngwg-bounces@icann.org">idngwg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:idngwg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:idngwg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sarmad Hussain<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 24, 2016 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:idngwg@icann.org">idngwg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Idngwg] meeting notes from 14 July 2016</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">Dear All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">Please find attached the meeting notes from 14 July 2016. Please let me know in case of any edits or suggestions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">We have the following action items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Break Recommendation 9 in section 2.4 into multiple recommendations covering the various ideas discussed, including Reference 2<sup>nd</sup> Level LGRs, more general IDN policy and collaboration in other aspects of IDNs in the future</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Review the table with text on IDN Variants and come with suggestion for recommendation(s) for next meeting</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">The attached notes and the recording of the meeting are available at the IDNGWG wiki page at
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/IDN/IDN+Implementation+Guidelines">https://community.icann.org/display/IDN/IDN+Implementation+Guidelines</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">Next meeting will be on 28 July, 11am UTC.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:black">Regards,<br>
Sarmad</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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