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Subrenat, Jean-Jacques jjs at dyalog.net
Thu Aug 7 07:19:32 UTC 2014

Dear Joe and colleagues,

- I agree with Joe: citizenship is A data element, not THE data element.

- But for the sake of transparency and accountability, it is an important element. "Organizational processes" cannot preclude, nor replace, transparency at another, more public level.


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De: "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com>
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The question for me was not whether citizenship was appropriate but it's location and extent to which we highlighted it. We are engaged on behalf of mostly global groups that went though organizational processes to determine representation. Nationality is a data element, not the data element. 


On 8/7/2014 2:53 AM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote: 

Dear Colleagues,

to some who have argued that information about citizenship is irrelevant or unimportant, I would like to respond that it is certainly relevant and important for the sake of transparency and accountability.

At our first meeting in London, when the interim Chair asked each member to introduce her/himself, I requested that citizenship be declared, and that this be noted. THERE WAS NO OBJECTION, and every member in turn gracefully provided the information.

In line with the effort at transparency in which we all engaged in London, I request that citizenship be published along other data in the profiles of the ICG members. Failing to do so would only encourage the sense, however unjustified, that some members are not willing to be as transparent as necessary, or that they fear that this data would somehow make apparent some imbalance in the composition of our group. As we are entrusted with the task of presenting a transition plan to the NTIA on behalf of the global multistakeholder community, surely one of our basic duties is transparency about ourselves.

Best regards,

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De: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson at apnic.net> À: "Daniel Karrenberg" <daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net> Cc: internal-cg at icann.org Envoyé: Mercredi 6 Août 2014 12:38:56
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I have checked/edited my own entry in the shared file 

  IANA steward correspondence group matrix - v2.docx

And I have no objection to publishing this information in full.   

As for other ICG members, I suggest to check/validate, as the information does not appear to be complete.


On 6 Aug 2014, at 5:50 am, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net> wrote: 

On 5.08.14 21:16 , Paul Wilson wrote: 

Thanks Alissa.  And Samantha.

It certainly needs editing because some information is missing; also because some was provided quite informally as part of individual personal introductions to the ICG.

It may be better to stick to information which can be well structured, and to remove the prose, in particular the "HOW PERSON WILL REPRESENT THEIR COMMUNITY IN THE ICG” column.  That information is available after all in the meeting proceedings, and will be more meaningful in that context.

Paul. Paul,

personally I consider the 'prose' very worth having since it gives me
the opportunity to say what value I attach to the other information such
as nationality should that become necessary. I also personally consider
having this information readily available in one place much much more
important than the information about citizenship.

For full disclosure I attach the comments I sent to Samantha earlier. I
expect that other people did so as well and Samantha has not yet had the
opportunity to include their comments either.


NB: This is no explicit or implied criticism of Samantha's work.

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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Minutes for Day 2 of 1st ICG Meeting
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:52:37 +0200
From: Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net> To: Samantha Dickinson <samantha at linguasynaptica.com> For the matrix:

how selected: replace with "By RSSAC: http://london50.icann.org/en/schedule/minutes-rssac-24jun14-en.pdf "

how represent: add "see also: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000061.html "

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