[Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward

Lynn St.Amour Lynn at lstamour.org
Mon Aug 11 19:15:12 UTC 2014

Hi everyone,

I was unexpectedly and unavoidably off-line the last week; hence the radio silence. 

I am still catching up on other ICG mail but I would like to support Alissa's mail and comments here.  While we may still be debating other points of process,  this seems to be a fair representation of the ICG's position.  The Chair(s) role are largely administrative, and we really need to move on - we have a lot of very substantive work ahead of us.

Also, Jean-Jacques, with all due respect, and in the interest of helping us establish group norms, I have to say that your comment below does not follow the model I believe we are all trying to work to, in fact, it seems to make a unilateral declaration.  Although, that may not be your intent.


On Aug 11, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in> wrote:

> Hi Jean-Jacques,
> On 8/11/14, 8:31 AM, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <jjs at dyalog.net> wrote:
>> Sorry Alissa,
>> I'm afraid there is neither clarity nor consensus on the way forward on
>> this point, and that the deadline will have to be extended.
> As interim chair, I made the consensus call last week, in my email below.
> It continues to stand, and I believe I have the support of the bulk of the
> group behind me. Consensus involves accommodating objections to the best
> extent possible while maintaining broad support within the group. It does
> not require unanimity and cannot be held up by a small minority of
> objectors.
> So we are on track to get the selection going once the deadline expires
> later today.
> Thanks,
> Alissa
>> Best regards,
>> Jean-Jacques.
>> ----- Mail original -----
>> De: "Alissa Cooper" <alissa at cooperw.in>
>> À: "ICG" <internal-cg at icann.org>
>> Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 17:24:34
>> Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
>> Reminder: People who wish to volunteer for a chair role need to do so by
>> 23:59 UTC today, Aug 11. I believe the current list of volunteers is as
>> follows:
>> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
>> Patrik Fälström
>> Mohamed El Bashir
>> Alissa Cooper
>> Thanks,
>> Alissa
>> On 8/7/14, 10:57 AM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa at cooperw.in> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking
>>> in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a
>>> viable path forward. My observations are:
>>> 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group
>>> demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from
>>> Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had
>>> previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from
>>> people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what
>>> some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as
>>> “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
>>> 2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure,
>>> following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have
>>> anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
>>> 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic
>>> diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having
>>> geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship
>>> transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion
>>> within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be
>>> required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
>>> 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods,
>>> both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge
>>> consensus within this group going forward.
>>> Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
>>> Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe
>>> the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles
>>> is:
>>> Russ Housley
>>> Patrik Fälström
>>> Mohamed El Bashir
>>> Keith Drazek
>>> Alissa Cooper
>>> (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because
>>> they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the
>>> last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to
>>> withdraw, please say so.)
>>> Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a
>>> few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please
>>> make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
>>> On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and
>>> run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help
>>> Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making
>>> their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity
>>> discussions we’ve had into account.
>>> Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes
>>> the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus
>>> going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for
>>> discussion when it is ready.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alissa
>>> [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
>>> [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
>>> [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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