[Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for meeting on Sep 6

Alissa Cooper alissa at cooperw.in
Wed Sep 3 06:31:27 UTC 2014 

Hi Kavouss,

I’m with James on this one — if anyone is expecting our process/personnel
decisions to be debated in a court of law, we have much bigger issues that
we should be discussing than how we use the mailing list versus how we use
meetings.

Alissa

On 9/2/14, 7:18 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Alissa
> There is  no  legality to any decision made through correspondence until it is
> approved in a f2f
> 
> 
> 2014-09-02 13:50 GMT+02:00 Alissa Cooper <alissa at cooperw.in>:
>> Kavouss, all,
>> 
>> My personal views are below.
>> 
>> On 9/2/14, 12:32 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Patrik
>>> I tried to be constructive pls kindly do not misinterprete that
>>> I suggest that we need at the end of the meeting a brief summary of what we
>>> have agreed in order not to leave it to the chair and Vice Chairs to do it
>>> as they understood.
>> 
>> Samantha will be at the meeting to take minutes. I suggest that she keep
>> track of the action items and decision points so that she can read a summary
>> of them during the meeting wrap-up and send the summary to the mailing list.
>> 
>>> We must know at the end of the meeting what we have agreed
>>> That point is not included
>>> From legal point of view the ICG in full f2 f session need to formally
>>> pronounce the designation of the chair and vice chairs
>>> What is agreed is only by correspondence and must be approved
>> 
>> I do not think any one of this group’s communication methods should be
>> considered more formal than the others. Furthermore, between meetings,
>> conference calls, and the mailing list, it is the mailing list that is most
>> accessible to everyone in the group. We have had several calls and meetings
>> already, none of which involved all ICG members. The meeting on Sept 6 will
>> not involve all members, and I expect given our busy schedules that we are
>> unlikely to have many meetings or calls where everyone can be present. The
>> mailing list, however, is available to everyone.
>> 
>> Therefore, we should be able to use any of our communications methods to come
>> to decisions, we should not privilege one over the others, and we should not
>> spend precious face-to-face time revisiting decisions that have already been
>> finalized using other means of communication.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Alissa
>> 
>>> Tks Kavouss
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2014-09-02 11:23 GMT+02:00 Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se>:
>>>> Dear Kavouss,
>>>> 
>>>> Words chosen like you here do does not help our process move forward. We
>>>> are working together, and that implies we also when we might disagree with
>>>> each other must act in a constructive manner.
>>>> 
>>>> Can you please be more specific on which one of your proposals where
>>>> disregarded and ignored?
>>>> 
>>>> I did respond to your and other's suggestions, responded with what action I
>>>> took related to them. If you or someone else do believe I did draw the
>>>> wrong conclusions, just speak up and let the group know what the counter
>>>> proposal is.
>>>> 
>>>>    Patrik
>>>> 
>>>> On 2 sep 2014, at 12:14, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Patreik
>>>>> I am disappointed
>>>>> Once again what I proposed was disregarded
>>>>> I still believe that they were valid
>>>>> Pls reconsider that and do not ignor that
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> KAVOUSS
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2014-09-02 6:43 GMT+02:00 Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se>:
>>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With that agenda item I was thinking of giving the ability for ICG
>>>>>> members to report back "what they see is happening" in the community. It
>>>>>> was intentionally not specific. I.e. I felt we should have some time on
>>>>>> the agenda where it was possible for ICG members to talk about the world
>>>>>> outside of ICG.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If specific ICG members want to say something, let me know and we will
>>>>>> that way see how much time we can allocate per such "reporting back"
>>>>>> sub-section.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Patrik
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2 sep 2014, at 01:39, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m fine with your agenda and Manal’s addition. I also agree to keeping
>>>>>>> an eye to best clustering.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Re community updates: do you refer to those “communities” listed in the
>>>>>>> ICG members list?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> From: Patrik Fältström <mailto:paf at frobbit.se>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 11:40 PM
>>>>>>> To: Kavouss Arasteh <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Coordination Group <mailto:internal-cg at icann.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for meeting on Sep 6
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Dear Kavouss,
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Regarding your proposals. The schedule of events is part of the
>>>>>>> timeline, and I interpret your suggestion regarding "ICANN Enhanced
>>>>>>> Accountability Process" being what Manal already proposed.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Regarding your request for confirmation for for example the three
>>>>>>> chair/vice-chair positions not bee needed, as we neither as you say had
>>>>>>> 100% voting, nor will we have 100% participation at this meeting. We
>>>>>>> will never have 100% participation in any kind of participation. And
>>>>>>> that is why I personally am extremely careful of in a context like ICG
>>>>>>> (or similar to it) talk about a certain percentage be needed to reach a
>>>>>>> conclusion.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> If we have consensus, within an announced timeline, then we have reached
>>>>>>> a conclusion.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> The rest are implementation details.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>    Patrik
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> On 1 sep 2014, at 21:07, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Dear Patrik
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Yes I also agree with Manal .In addition we need to examine the relation
>>>>>>> between the Enhanced ICANN Accountability and activities of ICG as
>>>>>>> referred to  in the Charter
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> I have made some suggestions .I have made some changes as attached
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> KAVOUSS 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 2014-09-01 17:45 GMT+02:00 Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se>:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Joseph,  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion. Let me think about this. It is important we
>>>>>>> cluster things the right way so that we also at the same time have time
>>>>>>> to  actually walk through the full agenda. Clusters makes us save  time.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>    Patrik
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> On 1 sep 2014, at 14:50, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> The only question I would have is  should we move the consensus process
>>>>>>> document to be closer to the RFP  discussion...
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> On 9/1/2014 7:15 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Attached is a proposed agenda for the meeting on September 6.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please come back with feedback on this list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Regards, Patrik Fältström
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 
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