[Internal-cg] Steps for handling ICG forum comments ..

Kavouss Arasteh kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Mon Feb 23 10:08:59 UTC 2015


Dear Manal,
I sincerely appreciate-your valuable works.
However, the changes that I made were the minimum that should be taken into account .
I do not mind about other issues( superfluous text ) .
Kavouss


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> On 23 Feb 2015, at 08:13, Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg> wrote:
> 
> Many thanks Mary for the constructive suggestion ..
> Happy to add it ..
> The reason I didn't was that I assumed that a reply of any written form (not necessarily a statement) would be considered a commitment ..
>  
> Dear Mr. Arasteh ..
> Would this address your concern?
>  
> Kind Regards
> --Manal
>  
> From: Mary Uduma [mailto:mnuduma at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:12 AM
> To: Manal Ismail; Kavouss Arasteh
> Cc: Coordination Group
> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Steps for handling ICG forum comments ..
>  
> Thank you Kavouss and Manal.
> I think what was omitted in Joe's formulations as reproduced by Manal  is;
> " In the case of the latter we would ask them to provide a statement to that effect. In either case we will not filter the messages".
> If the provision of a statement from the OC is added to Manal's opening statement, I think it would take care of Kavuoss' comments.
> My comments are as attached.
> Mary Uduma
>  
> 
> On Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:34 PM, Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg> wrote:
>  
> 
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> 
> Dear Mr. Arasteh ..
>  
> Many thanks for your comments which matches my initial suggestion ..
> Yet I thought a different way forward was agreed at the meeting as a compromise, which was helpfully summarized by Joe in his email to the list (attached for your convenience) ..
> Anyway, as mentioned earlier, I’m flexible with either ..
>  
> Kind Regards
> --Manal
>  
> From: Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:05 PM
> To: Manal Ismail
> Cc: Daniel Karrenberg; Coordination Group
> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Steps for handling ICG forum comments ..
>  
> Dear Manal,
> Thank you very much for the good work that was done.
> I was identified to be part of small group on the matter.
> There are some inconsistencies that I HAVE EDITED.
> Moreover, there are overlapping and superflous paragraphs that while is harmless but do not seem necessary.
> However, I have not touched that .
> See attachment with revision marks
> Regards
> Kavouss
>  
>  
> 2015-02-22 16:28 GMT+01:00 Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>:
> Many thanks Daniel for your response and your cooperation ..
> In case of no other comments, appreciate if our chair and co-chairs can
> put this into action ..
> 
> Kind Regards
> --Manal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Karrenberg [mailto:daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 2:23 PM
> To: Manal Ismail; internal-cg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Steps for handling ICG forum comments ..
> 
> On 17.02.15 13:06 , Manal Ismail wrote:
> > Dear All ..
> >
> > Please find attached stepsfor handling community comments received on
> > ICG Forum..
> >
> > I hope this accuratelyreflectsthe discussion we had in Singapore ..
> >
> > I have createda new document as it describes a different approach and
> > was too messy intrack changes ..
> >
> > The old draft is still on Dropbox, if you wishto reference..
> >
> > I have to clarify that this has not been discussed yet among the
> > smaller group agreed in Singapore, but is being shared for the sake of
> time ..
> >
> > Hope to have this settled soon ..
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > --Manal
> 
> 
> 
> Manal,
> 
> 
> thank you very much for driving this along.
> 
> "Handling community comments submitted to the ICG Forum Discussion Draft
> based on Singapore Meeting
> 11 February 2015 - V.1"
> 
> is excellent and I recommend that we adopt it.
> 
> Daniel
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> Thanks Lynn and thanks Joseph .. This is extremely helpful .. 
> Kind Regards 
> --Manal
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: internal-cg-bounces at icann.org 
> [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of joseph alhadeff 
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 11:45 AM 
> To: internal-cg at icann.org 
> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Building on Commonalities .. [was: Handling 
> process complaints]
> By way of clarification and as an input input into this discussion, I 
> thought I'd provide my suggestions in writing.
> 1.  Provide an automated receipt message for each comment filed.  I 
> would suggest that the automated receipt include our process related to 
> comments so that there is nether false expectation nor misunderstanding. 
> 2. We provide each community with the option of receiving forwarded 
> messages or allowing them to self monitor the forum.  In the case of the 
> latter we would ask them to provide a statement to that effect. In 
> either case we will not filter the messages. 
> 3. On a periodic basis, the Secretariat will create a summary digest of 
> comments received by subject (participation, consensus, specific 
> element, etc) and we will request that communities to whom the comments 
> have been addressed post any summary updates related to their responses 
> or how they have dealt with the comments in general or by comment 
> subject which they find appropriate. 
> 4.  Our internal process.  We will review comments received and where we 
> believe that they require specific response or follow up, ICG will 
> create and send specific questions to the relevant community (ies).
> Hope this helps...
> Joe 
> On 2/6/2015 6:50 PM, Lynn St.Amour wrote: 
> > Manal, 
> > 
> > first, GREAT job as usual! 
> > 
> > And, both you and Daniel have laid this out quite clearly.  Thank you 
> both. 
> > 
> > I support many of Daniel's points (just as you did), in fact, all but 
> one.  I do have concerns about "No acknowledgements. No forwarding" for 
> the reasons you state.    It does not feel responsive enough. 
> > 
> > I would support a path that acknowledged and forwarded any comments 
> the ICG forum received to the appropriate OC - with a short note re our 
> expectations (captured largely in your earlier note, and worded in a way 
> that did not trigger our common fears of incorrect impressions).  It 
> could also reaffirm the role of the OC's and the ICG - this will also be 
> instructional for anyone else contemplating a note to the ICG. 
> > 
> > I also see this more as an Operating Practice than a Procedure per se. 
> > 
> > If we go this way, I am happy to work with Manal (and others) on text. 
> > 
> > Best all, 
> > 
> > Lynn 
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 5, 2015, at 2:31 AM, "Manal Ismail" <manal at tra.gov.eg> wrote: 
> > 
> >> Comments, short ones :), inline below .. 
> >> Kind Regards 
> >> --Manal 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: internal-cg-bounces at icann.org 
> >> [mailto:internal-cg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:52 AM 
> >> To: Alissa Cooper 
> >> Cc: ICG 
> >> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Building on Commonalities .. [was: 
> >> Handling process complaints] 
> >> 
> >> On 2.02.15 23:00 , Alissa Cooper wrote: 
> >>> Jean-Jacques, 
> >>> 
> >>> ... And I think it would be great to continue this discussion on the
> >>> mailing list so that it need not occupy much time during the F2F 
> >> meeting. ... 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> After the discussion so far, my proposal remains as is: 
> >> 
> >> avoid any impression that we run a complaints procedure or an appeals
> >> process. 
> >> [MI]: Agree .. 
> >> 
> >> No procedure. 
> >> [MI]: Agree .. We don't necessarily need a procedure, per se, but at 
> >> least we need common agreement on how to proceed .. 
> >> 
> >> No acknowledgements. No forwarding. 
> >> [MI]: Let me try to go down this path, then what? Do nothing? Then 
> >> why did we agree to receive comments directly from the community at 
> >> the first place? Do something else? Fair enough, what is it? 
> >> 
> >> Agree on posing specific questions using our normal process. 
> >> [MI]: I fully agree .. Each ICG member can pose questions to the 
> >> relevant OC .. and I support Alissa's proposal, to gather all ICG 
> >> questions and compile one list (union of all) for each relevant OC .. 
> >> ICG questions and public comments are different and not mutually 
> >> exclusive processes, as ICG questions may or may not have to with 
> >> public comments .. 
> >> 
> >> It appears to me that we should address this first. It makes no sense
> >> going into details about a specific procedure before we definitely 
> >> agree to have one. 
> >> [MI]: Definitely .. I fully agree .. 
> >> 
> >> [MI]: I think, by now, both our views are clear :) .. Let's hear 
> >> other colleagues then try to reach an ICG consensus view and a way 
> >> forward tomorrow at the meeting .. 
> >> 
> >> Daniel 
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