[Internal-cg] Thinking about the assessment process

Patrik Fältström paf at frobbit.se
Fri Jan 9 07:21:01 UTC 2015

Like others, I like this idea, Daniel.

I have followed passively the work on parameters in IETF as I have because of my historical engagement in IETF and active participation in IETF/IANA work (for example as a so called "appointed expert" for a couple of parameters).

I have not been involved with the creation of the response from the numbering community. Not even due to my day job as a different person at Netnod (Nurani Nimpuno) is following that track. I have no idea what they are doing.

I am chair of Security and Stability Advisory Committee in ICANN and in that role over all responsible for the statements SSAC make based on the consensus based process we are using. We have published SAC-067, SAC-068 and specifically SAC-069 that give recommendations that specifically are targeted at the names community although they can be extrapolated to other communities. 

SSAC do have other individuals (Robert Guerra and Jaap Akkerhuis) that are representatives in CWG, so that I personally as chair of SSAC and co-chair of ICG can be on arms length distance from the content of the names work. That said, I have in a personal capacity been asked to engage more in review of the names CWG proposal, specifically last week, which I also have accepted.

I have also worked with IANA in general for many years, including the fact I was very much involved in the initial creation of the system we have today.

So, I would say I am:

- Passive follower of the protocol work

- Outsider for the numbers work

- Insider regarding the names work


On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net> wrote:

> On 6.01.15 23:51 , Alissa Cooper wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> At some point late last year I believe we had a bit of group discussion
>> about how we will actually staff the process of assessing the community
>> proposals as they come in and any issues that may arise from the fact
>> that many of us are both serving on the ICG and have been involved in
>> the community processes. I thought it would be good to confirm that we
>> are generally in agreement about our approach to ensuring that the ICG
>> assessment is conducted in an independent and unbiased fashion even
>> though we all have our own community affiliations and have been involved
>> in the proposal development processes to different extents. To my mind
>> we have many safeguards in place to help us out here:
>> (1) Multitude of proposal reviews
>> As we receive proposals from the communities, my expectation is that we
>> will have many ICG members willing to review them against our assessment
>> criteria.* I think we should aim to have some reviewers for each
>> community proposal who are not affiliated with the community in question
>> and who did not participate in the proposal development process for that
>> community (as well as some who did). I imagine that through mere
>> solicitation of volunteers to review within our group we will achieve
>> this goal, but we should keep an eye out for it in any event. I think
>> this should help to provide a well-rounded assessment of each proposal.
>> (2) Charter limitations
>> Since by our charter we will not be altering the substance of the
>> proposals, I think the danger of any individual ICG member trying to
>> alter the substance of the proposals through the assessment process is
>> quite limited.
>> (3) Transparent proposal development processes
>> In my opinion the proposal development processes and participation in
>> them has been quite transparent. I think it’s easy to find out which of
>> us have been participating in which processes and only a little harder
>> to figure out what we have been advocating for. Because of this, I think
>> it will be fairly clear if any ICG member tries to use the assessment
>> process to achieve some end that did not obtain community consensus.
>> (4) Operating by ICG consensus
>> As a group we decided long ago to operate on a consensus basis, and I
>> think this provides a further defense against any individual ICG member
>> trying to bend the assessment process to achieve his or her own personal
>> objectives.
>> From my perspective the set of safeguards above is plenty robust to
>> ensure that as a group we can conduct a largely objective assessment of
>> the proposals. I would appreciate thoughts about this from the group. As
>> the proposals start to come in I think it will boost the communities’
>> confidence in us to have this articulated.
>> Thanks,
>> Alissa
>> *
>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-finalization-24dec14-en.pdf
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> This makes sense to me.
> I suggest that before we start the reviews each of us sends a message to this list describing their involvement, if any, in the development of proposals. This way all that is on record and we avoid accusations of hidden interests or actions.
> For myself I can state that I have had no involvement with the proposals of the names and protocol parameters communities.
> As a member of the RIPE community I have participated in the public discussion about the principles for the numbers proposal. As part of my job at the RIPE NCC I have provided advice to management about the development of the proposal. I have also worked actively within the RIR communities to explain the process and the work of the ICG.
> Daniel

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