[Internal-cg] IETF assessment

Milton L Mueller mueller at syr.edu
Tue Jan 27 15:36:11 UTC 2015

Jari and all
Here is my amended assessment of the IETF proposal. 
I've used your original one as the starting point and left tracking on so all can see where the changes were made. Because of the many changes, I've also included a 'clean' version with all changes accepted. 

I think we have different notions of what these assessments are supposed to do, which will become evident as you read it. This difference is intended to prepare the way for discussion at our Jan 28 and Feb 6 meetings. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko at piuha.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 7:56 PM
> To: Milton L Mueller
> Cc: internal-cg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] IETF assessment
> Milton,
> I have been responding today on the list, and from my perspective the case is
> closed, and I have suggested next steps (*). Not sure they affect the
> assessment.
> Do you have an early version of your assessment in the Dropbox or
> otherwise available?
> Jari
> (*) The list archive is here: http://www.ietf.org/mail-
> archive/web/ianaplan/current/maillist.html
> and my e-mail is below:
> > I'd like to suggest a constructive way forward.
> >
> > First, I think we should observe that the ICG process put the planning and
> proposal efforts on purpose into the community processes. Those are the
> processes that we run. They are probably not perfect, they are certainly not
> the only possible ones, but they are processes that have existed and evolved
> for decades. The IANA transition is not an opportunity to redefine these
> processes.
> >
> > Second, the community has had a very clear opinion about matters, and re-
> opening discussions is not good practice. As usual, there are some issue
> where agreement was not universal. Disagreement with otherwise broad
> consensus is not grounds for re-opening a discussion.
> >
> > Third, I want everyone to focus on the concept that we've completed a step
> but that is not the last one. Among other things, the transition might involve
> some contract-termination/negotiation/renegotiation. And even if it would
> be very convenient, even IETF consensus doesn't allow us to sign stuff in the
> name of other organisations :-) Or resolve conflicts between the three
> community proposals. So I would suggest that we stick to our clear direction
> from the WG, sit back, and see what these additional steps will bring. We will
> see updates as ICG, IAOC, and others have something to say, and any
> changes of direction will obviously need community feedback.
> >
> > Fourth, I wanted to go a bit back to the original e-mail that started this
> thread (finally!). As noted above, I think it would be inappropriate to start
> redefining the IETF process, and I think we've provided far more explanation
> about where we are and why than we've done in the approval process of
> most other IETF documents. One of the features of the IETF process is the
> expectation that most participants usually track the development of the
> community opinion, and conclusions are usually understood even before
> they are formally made. And when those conclusions get made, they can be
> brief, as the full discussion is visible on the mailing list archive.
> >
> > Yet, I have been talking to Milton and he has a point about communities
> understanding their own process well, but it being more difficult for
> newcomers, and in particular, complete outsiders that view the events later.
> I'd like to suggest that we produce an informal explanation of the process
> that helps provide visibility to people at large about what happened in the
> development of the IETF proposal from IANAPLAN WG. This is not a rerun of
> the process, an official document, or an opportunity to re-open discussions,
> but I think it would help us in the coming months as more people will be
> asking about our proposals. I'll work with the chairs to produce that.
> >
> > Jari
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