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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Adiel and thanks Jari and Joseph for your responses ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Although I don’t think the minutes serve as an alternative yet I take your points on lasting definitions and timeless issues ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also see that ‘rough consensus’ is already mentioned under bullet (iii) ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I’m also fine with not adding the below ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>joseph alhadeff<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> internal-cg@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] charter version to go out on the web<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would agree that we are best only placing in the charter more timeless issues. All these points fall within self-organization. Beyond that I think that minutes are for public reference and there will be a summary of the meeting, which may be the more appropriate place for details..<br><br>Joe <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 7/20/2014 7:43 AM, Jari Arkko wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Manal, Adiel,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Thanks for your careful review and suggestions.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The draft charter has been posted to the web yesterday. We agreed to approve the charter in two weeks, which gives us an opportunity to make changes if needed.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>My personal opinion is that we should be careful in selecting what changes are to be put in the charter and what might actually be separate items. If we add something, it should be a lasting definition - the chairs and their number for instance might be a separate note. A note now that indicates that we’ve selected Alissa as the interim chair… another note later with the permanent chairs… Also, if we are going to add more substance to the definition of rough consensus, maybe a reference to RFC 7282 might be a more complete way of doing that. (However, I am a bit wary of entering a lengthy discussion now about the decision process, in case there are debates about the exact definition.) <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Jari<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On 20 Jul 2014, at 07:23, Adiel Akplogan (Android) <a href="mailto:adiel@afrinic.net"><adiel@afrinic.net></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Thank you Manal, I support the addition of these 3 points. Someone on our regional discussion list has also raised some of them.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>- a.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On July 20, 2014 9:54:29 AM GMT+00:00, Manal Ismail <a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg"><manal@tra.gov.eg></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Appreciate re-iterating the deadline for commenting on the charter, if<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>still possible .. Apologies to have overlooked that ..<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>If agreed, I suggest adding a couple of sentences on how the ICG<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>intends<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to work, in terms of its structure (chair, co-chairs, ...) and its<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>approach to resolve issues (in line with what was sent to the GAC<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>chair)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>.. i.e. something along the following lines:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>"... The ICG will select [a chair and 2 co-chairs / 3 co-chairs/ or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>whatever was agreed, as I have missed this] from its members.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Additionally, in performing its narrow role of coordination, the group<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>will operate by rough consensus judged more by the merit of objections<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>rather than the number of them. ..."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--Manal<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 7:01 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: Theresa Swinehart<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Cc: <a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org"><internal-cg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: [Internal-cg] charter version to go out on the web<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>This is a clean version of the final charter (and with the right<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>version<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>number). Once the statement goes out, it needs to have a pointer to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>this<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>charter, so the charter also needs to be up on the web somewhere.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>You guys know what to do about that...<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Internal-cg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent from my Android device. Please excuse my brevity.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Internal-cg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>