<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi Patrik,</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry I missed commenting on your bellow email, on short leave with limited Internet access.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I do support your raised 5 points, for no.6, supporting option "D" with Joe suggestion to introduce authors auditing/changes tracking mechanism.</div><div><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; "><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; "><br></div><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; ">Kind Regards,</div><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; ">Mohamed&nbsp;</div></div></div><div><br>On 30 Jul 2014, at 16:35, Patrik Fältström &lt;<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se">paf@frobbit.se</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Alissa,</span><br><span></span><br><span>My summary of the feedback is as follows.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I created the proposal and because of that of course stand behind all suggestions.</span><br><span></span><br><span>In addition, I have seen feedback from:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Adiel Akplogan</span><br><span>Joseph Alhadeff</span><br><span>Lynn St.Amour</span><br><span>Manal Ismail</span><br><span>Wolf-Ulrich Knoben</span><br><span>Milton Müller</span><br><span>Jon Nevett</span><br><span>Jean-Jacques Subrenat</span><br><span>Paul Wilson</span><br><span></span><br><span>I.e. 10 people I know the view of.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Everyone of those commenting agree with the following 6 suggestions for the first 5 issues:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>1. Members and liaisons to ICG</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Suggestion: When consensus is to be reached, consensus is only among</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>members (not members+liaisons).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>2. Support staff</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Suggestion: We accept the proposal from ICANN to until further notice</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>from ICG continue with this set of support staff: Theresa, Ergys,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Alice, Jim and Hillary.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>3. Interim appointed GAC member</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Suggestion: The IGC thank Tracy for the ability to participate.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>4. Minutes of our meeting</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Suggestion: We postpone discussion on minutes and otherwise record</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>taking of our future meetings to the discussion on the Secretariat.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Suggestion: Until minutes from first meeting are complete, Sam</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dickingson should be treated as support staff (together with Theresa,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ergys, Alice, Jim and Hillary).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>5. ICANN backup contacts</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Suggestion: We support ICANN in this proposal, thanks Jamie and Grace</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>for their ability to help, and I validate the situation that they have</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>been removed from the mailing list and that way got special treatment</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>compared with other ICANN staff.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>For the last issue, regarding "write access" to our documents the feedback is split.</span><br><span></span><br><span>First a reminder what I wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>6. Write access to our documents</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Everyone is to be given read access to our documents. Question is who</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>should get read/write access.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>We have a number of alternatives here, and which one we choose depends</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>on what answers we get on the questions above.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Alternative A: Members only</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Today members of ICG do have write access, and update of documents</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>there depends on members doing explicit actions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Alternative B: Members + liaisons</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To make feedback loop from liaisons easier, we also give write access</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>for liaisons. This do give ability for liaisons to write in documents,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>which might be preferable for example in the form of change tags in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Word documents.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Alternative C: Members + Support Staff</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>By letting support staff write to documents members will be relieved</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>from the task of updating documents and otherwise do purely</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>administerial tasks.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Alternative D: Members + Liaisons + Support Staff</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>A merge of alternative B and C. In reality it implies (given my</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>suggestion on issue 5 above finds consensus in ICG) that all members of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>this mailing list do get read/write access to the documents.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Suggestion: Alternative D, i.e. all Members, Liaisons and Support</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Staff get read/write access to our documents.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Out of the individuals I have heard from, I have the following feedback, in order depending on how supportive the individuals are of D and other alternatives:</span><br><span></span><br><span>D, with additional information that in practice it is the only workable alternative:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Patrik Fältström</span><br><span>Paul Wilson</span><br><span>Wolf-Ulrich Knoben</span><br><span>Lynn St.Amour</span><br><span></span><br><span>D, without any details:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Jon Nevett</span><br><span>Manal Ismail</span><br><span>Jean-Jacques Subrenat</span><br><span></span><br><span>D, with the constraint that it must be possible to trace who made what change:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Joseph Alhadeff</span><br><span></span><br><span>Prefer C, but can live with D:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Adiel Akplogan</span><br><span></span><br><span>Against D, and instead prefer A:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Milton Müller</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>I hope this helps.</span><br><span></span><br><span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Regards, Patrik</span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Internal-cg mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>