<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>The revised text is fine and clear, I think its time we proceed and publish the text by tomorrow, let's give a deadline of 10 days.</div><div><br></div><div>We should aim to approve/endorse the final charter in our teleconference call on 19 August, hopefully. </div><div><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; "><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; "><br></div><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; ">Kind Regards,</div><div style="text-align: left;direction: ltr; ">Mohamed </div></div></div><div><br>On 7 Aug 2014, at 20:57, Alissa Cooper <<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Here is some revised landing page text that tries to capture the</span><br><span>discussion in this thread:</span><br><span></span><br><span>===</span><br><span></span><br><span>ICG Charter Open for Public Comments</span><br><span></span><br><span>On July 18, the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG)</span><br><span>produced a draft charter <link> that defines its own tasks. The ICG views</span><br><span>defining the broad outlines of its charter as important, but it views</span><br><span>finalizing the charter and moving on to the real work of the transition</span><br><span>planning to be of equal importance. Thus the ICG is opening up a short</span><br><span>public comment period on the charter to determine if there are any major</span><br><span>objections to the current draft that the ICG has not already taken into</span><br><span>account.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The charter is open for public comment until August XX, 2014 at 20:00 UTC.</span><br><span>Public comments are considered to be for the public record, and for the</span><br><span>information and consideration of all participants in this process, not</span><br><span>just for the ICG. Everyone is encouraged to review any public comments</span><br><span>that may be submitted via the process below.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Public comment submission process links:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Comment submission: <link></span><br><span>List of comments submitted via this site: <link></span><br><span>Charter: <link> </span><br><span>Deadline: August XX, 2014 at 20:00 UTC</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>===</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 8/6/14, 9:16 AM, "Adiel Akplogan" <<a href="mailto:adiel@afrinic.net">adiel@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 6, 2014, at 19:52 PM, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Adiel and I may agree on the confusing nature of the message, but I</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>think our responses point in opposite directions.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>:-) let try to bring them back to the same direction. In fact I’m not</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>requesting that we necessarily have a round of comment period at all. I’m</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>just questioning the process. If we are to have a public comment period</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>why not be the direct input point ourselves (use the interim secretariat</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to handle that) rather than adding an additional layer using respective</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>community discussion process? How are these feedbacks going to be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>consolidated and pass on to us in the short window we have? Each</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>community will request time to define process by which they manage their</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>comments and consolidate them … etc … We know it work in our environment.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>My view was that we should be consistent about relying on the community</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>representatives instead of another ICANN-administered comment period - I</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>believe this is appropraite for the charter ONLY. We should not provide</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>an opportunity for dozens of many random emails and a bunch of formal</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>comments wordsmithing the draft via a comment list. We lack the time and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>resources to process a bunch of written comments and still make progress</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>on the other things. Instead, we should encourage people to review the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>draft and convey any major concerns they have about the charter to their</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>representatives on the ICG. I think the charter needs to be finalized</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>asap and we need to concentrate on actually doing our job.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The charter as it now exists has roots in a prior comment period on the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>composition and scope of the ICG. I think we have the authority to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>finalize that process ourselves. The process of drafting the charter was</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>highly transparent and the draft has been out there in front of our</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>communities for three weeks now.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I’m globally in agreement with you on the above. But when we release our</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>set of documents after London we mentioned that they are published for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>comments (and many from the community ask about the process for such</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>comments period). We could have then give a very short windows not more</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>than a week to collect comments and by now finalise the Charter</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ourselves. Now that we have kind of miss that opportunity we need to find</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the most optimum way to get it done quickly (without diluting the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>quality).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Asking for a comment period on the charter essentially turns the clock</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>back to July 18 and freezes our activity for a month on all other fronts</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>if we are to be really consistent about the fact that we don’t have a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>charter yet.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Agree.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I also think it is confusing to position ourselves in a strange middle</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>ground in which we are asking for formal wrirtten comments on a list but</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>telling people we don’t want to make major changes.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Agree.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Either we are opening up the entire draft charter for comment,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>criticism and redrafting, or we are saying that we basically have a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>charter and asking whether anyone has major objections to it that we</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>haven't taken into account. I favor the latter approach.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I too will favor that.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>- a.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Adiel Akplogan [<a href="mailto:adiel@afrinic.net">mailto:adiel@afrinic.net</a>]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 10:31 AM</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Milton L Mueller</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Alissa Cooper; <a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org">internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Charter commenting</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 6, 2014, at 16:37 PM, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I am not sure I understand this:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It is the strong preference</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>of the ICG that comments about the charter from the public be</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>submitted via existing IANA-related community processes, and not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>through the link provided below.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>If we don't want people to provide comments through that link, why</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>provide the link? I suspect many people will be confused by this.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>+1.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>In fact I'm wondering why do we want to make this particular comment</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>related to the ICG organisation diffuse through the community process</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(sorry</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>but I may have missed a discussion on this while offline)?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>- a.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Internal-cg mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>