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</font><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 14.55pt;line-height:normal"><font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">Dear All,</span></font></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 14.55pt;line-height:normal"><font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">Every moment we received a new thought.</span></font></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 14.55pt;line-height:normal"><font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">Somebody stated that </span></font></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 14.55pt;line-height:normal"><font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">The Role of the chair is purely administrative and NOT DECISION MAKING</span></font></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 14.55pt;line-height:normal"><font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">Another person stated that </span></font></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 14.55pt;line-height:normal"><font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">Quote</span></font></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 14.55pt;line-height:normal"><font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">&quot;  </span></font><font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">It</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> is the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">role</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>the Chair<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>to <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">designate</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">that</span>
<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">consensus</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.1pt"> </span>is<span style="letter-spacing:3.95pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">reached</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">and</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">announce
</span>this <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">designation</span> to the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>ICG<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">.</span>
Member(s)<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">ICG </span>should<span style="letter-spacing:3.55pt"> </span>be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">
able</span> to <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">challenge </span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">designation</span> of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> Chair</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">part</span> of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">
</span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">discussion.</span></span></font></div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">

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</font><p style="margin:0cm 9.5pt 0pt 0cm;line-height:normal"><font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">If</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:0.05pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> </span><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">several</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> participants<span style="letter-spacing:1.05pt"> </span>in the ICG <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">disagree </span>with the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> designation</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">given</span> to a<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>position <span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">by</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.25pt"> </span>the Chair<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>or<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> any</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span>other<span style="letter-spacing:2.25pt">
</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">consensus</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">call,</span> <span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">they</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.25pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">may</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span>follow <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">these
</span>steps <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">sequentially:</span></span></font></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">

</font><ol style="list-style-type:lower-roman"><li style="font-style:normal;font-weight:normal"><p style="line-height:normal;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">Send</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">email</span> to the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">Chair,</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">copying</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span>the<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>ICG
explaining<span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">why</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.25pt"> </span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">decision</span> is <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">believed</span> to be in<span style="letter-spacing:3.2pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">error.</span></span></p>

</li><li style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal"><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt">

<span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">If</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:0.05pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> </span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">the Chair<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>still <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">disagrees</span> with
the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">complainants,</span> the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> Chair</span> must explain his or <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">her</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">reasoning</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt"> </span>in the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">
</span>response<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>to the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> complainants.</span></span></p><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:0.35pt;margin-bottom:0pt">

<a name="147c20166d4df532_3.7 Appeal Process"></a><b><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> </span></b></p><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0pt">

<span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">Any<span style="letter-spacing:-0.25pt"> </span>ICG member <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">that</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">believes</span> that
his/her<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>contributions <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">are</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt"> </span>being<span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span>systematically<span style="letter-spacing:-0.25pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">ignored</span> or
discounted<span style="letter-spacing:2.2pt"> </span>or<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> wants</span> to <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">appeal</span> a <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">decision</span> of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>the ICG should <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">discuss</span>
the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>circumstances with the ICG <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">Chair/Co-Chairs&quot; </span></span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">Unquote</span></span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">.</span></span></p>
</li></ol><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0pt"><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">I am sorry these are incoherent with each other</span></span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0pt"><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">In particular, when there is no precedure that an ICG memebr acts against the chair,s ruling and until that objection  not settled  staisfactorily , the objection agianst ruling continued to prevail .</span></span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0pt"><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">What does it mean that  &quot;</span></span></div>
<span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"><p style="margin:0cm 9.5pt 0pt 0cm;color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal">
<font color="#000000"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">If</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:0.05pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> </span><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">several</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> participants<span style="letter-spacing:1.05pt"> </span>in the ICG <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">disagree </span>with the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> designation</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">given</span> to a<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>position <span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">by</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.25pt"> </span>the Chair<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>or<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> any</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span>other<span style="letter-spacing:2.25pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">consensus</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">call,</span> <span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">they</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.25pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">may</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span>follow <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">these </span>steps <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">sequentially:</span></span></font></p>
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<ol style="list-style-type:lower-roman"><li style="font-style:normal;font-weight:normal"><p style="line-height:normal;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">Send</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">email</span> to the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">Chair,</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">copying</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span>the<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>ICG explaining<span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">why</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.25pt"> </span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">decision</span> is <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">believed</span> to be in<span style="letter-spacing:3.2pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">error.</span></span></p>
</li><li style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal"><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">If</span><span lang="FR-BE" style="letter-spacing:0.05pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"> </span><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt">the Chair<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>still <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">disagrees</span> with the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">complainants,</span> the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> Chair</span> must explain his or <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">her</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">reasoning</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt"> </span>in the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>response<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>to the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> complainants&quot;</span></span></p>
</li></ol></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">Too much power is given to the chair and thus she or he  does not have purely adm,inistrative and logestic role.rather has dominating role </span></span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">This may not be correct</span></span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">Tks</span></span></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:normal;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:11pt;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;margin-top:6pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">Kavouss  </span></span></div>
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</font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-10 22:58 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear colleagues,<br>
<br>
referring to my related E-Mail some days ago I herewith put a draft proposal for the ICG decision making process (see attached) to the dropbox and welcome your edits/comments/amendments.<br>
<br>
The proposal is mainly based on my GNSO expertise and the process used generally in GNSO Working Groups. My thinking is:<br>
<br>
- we do not have to reinvent a fully new process rather we can use the experience all of us have gained in the international environment<br>
- we should find to a common understanding of &quot;consensus&quot;<br>
<br>
I&#39;d like to encourage you to point out in your view<br>
<br>
- what may be wrong with this process proposed<br>
- what may be missing<br>
- what may be questionnable or cause misunderstanding<br>
<br>
In the end the agreed outcome could be annexed to the ICG charter.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
Wolf-Ulrich <br>_______________________________________________<br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br></div>