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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Joe,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Yes, you are right.&nbsp; I thought my principle 3 was enough to resolve this:&nbsp; essentially there is an obligation on any party opposing (blocking) consensus to
 explain their concerns to allow those concerns to be addressed.&nbsp; Essentially this allows the issues to be addressed head on and resolved.&nbsp; On the other hand, overruling a maintained and solid objection would just lead to that coming back again later in the
 process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">It works for the hold-out case that Keith flags.&nbsp; For the substantive cases, though, the only defence I can see for a legitimate objection to be ignored through
 weigh of numbers is to allow that point to be specifically addressed in the final report (and I really am just talking about the final proposal and the process for getting there to be the only substantive issue we have).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If Wolf-Ulrich were to add to the end of principle 3, &#8220;If these concerns are not met in the final proposal, the opposing party should be invited to present
 the dissenting views in a written submission to the report.&#8221;, would this work?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> internal-cg-bounces@icann.org
 [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>joseph alhadeff<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 August 2014 20:20<br>
<b>To:</b> internal-cg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Milton:<br>
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I agree with the first bullet points, but have reservations on the last.&nbsp; I agree that no customer stakeholder objection related to the proposal can exist and still have a consensus, but I also think that we cannot have a consensus if a number of the non-customer
 stakeholders object.<br>
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Best-<br>
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Joe<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/14/2014 2:49 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Keith</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">On the &#8220;holdout&#8221; problem, &nbsp;I think Martin&#8217;s principles addressed your concerns. To reproduce them here:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">&amp;#61623<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The aim of the discussion should be to try to find a solution where *<b>no member of the ICG still maintains serious opposition to the outcome.</b>*&nbsp;
 Reasons for objections should be given, allowing the ICG wherever possible to try to address those concerns.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">*<b>Recourse to any form of voting should be the exception.</b>*&nbsp; Its use might be fine for non-substantive issues.&nbsp; For substantive issues, at least
 none of the &#8220;customer groups&#8221; (numbers, protocols, gTLDs or ccTLDs) of the IANA remains strongly opposed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">&amp;#61623<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Group members who still have problems with the evaluation should be invited to *<b>identify possible ways in which the proposal could be modified
 to make it acceptable to them.</b>*</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">&amp;#61623<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Discussions should continue until *<b>no &#8220;IANA customer&#8221; group is firmly opposed.</b>*&nbsp;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Note these two things:
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If there really is no consensus (and that DOES mean no one objects, even if they don&#8217;t fully agree) then we are reverting to a kind of supermajority voting
 or decision rule as outlined in the GNSO rules. Purists like me refuse to call this &#8220;consensus.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t mean that we are &#8220;stuck&#8221; or blocked, it just means that we really don&#8217;t have something that conforms to the classical meaning of consensus. I think
 we should not play verbal games and call this &#8220;consensus.&#8221; </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">IANA customer groups (groups, not individuals) have a kind of special status in Martin&#8217;s principles, given their direct stake in how IANA is managed. Even
 though I am not representing a customer group, I think this is fair. If everyone in a particular customer group cannot live with a decision, it is certainly not consensus and we probably shouldn&#8217;t force such a decision on them, no matter how much everyone
 else supports it. We might extend the same kind of protection to other groups; e.g., if none of the user representatives (NCSG and ALAC) agree, it would seem unreasonable to claim that an outcome has even &#8220;rough&#8221; consensus. But if one particular individual
 within that user group can&#8217;t be swayed, then it should not be considered the same kind of obstacle to an outcome.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hope this is clear<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Milton L Mueller</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Laura J and L. Douglas Meredith Professor
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<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Drazek, Keith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 14, 2014 2:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building process</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just so I&#8217;m clear&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Looking ahead&#8230;.if we end up with 29 ICG reps in favor of a final recommendation and one person who unreasonably refuses to compromise, will that be deemed &#8220;consensus&#8221;
 or &#8220;no consensus?&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hypothetically speaking, if one holdout among us can obstruct a decision that has received support from all other members, and would prevent delivery of a recommendation&#8230;.I
 find that very troubling.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>WUKnoben<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 14, 2014 1:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building process</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Dear Kavouss,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">you make the same point I expressed by saying that &#8220;I&#8217;m still uncertain with &#8220;non-substantive&#8221; issues which level of substance may depend on different views&#8221;. I would welcome you providing
 other more useful criteria to decide in which rare cases a &#8220;poll&#8221; or &#8220;voting&#8221; could apply.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">As you may have seen in my latest draft I removed the &#8220;adjectives&#8221; from consensus. So I would appreciate your written suggestion for an acceptable text that I
 could better understand your disagreement with the present proposal.<br>
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Best regards<br>
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Wolf-Ulrich</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">Kavouss Arasteh</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:22 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">
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<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" title="mueller@syr.edu">Milton L Mueller</a> ; <a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk" title="Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk">
Martin Boyle</a> ; <a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" title="internal-cg@icann.org">
Coordination Group</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building process</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Dear All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I am not comfortable to any of these measures.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The more we discuss and analyze ,the more problem is created.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I strongly disagree to make any discrimination among the contstituent groups in ICG ,WHEN IT IS PROPOSED qUOTE</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&quot;For substantive issues, at least none of the &#8220;customer groups&#8221; (numbers, protocols, gTLDs or ccTLDs) of the IANA remains strongly opposed&quot;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">What is considered by someone &quot; substantive&quot; may be considered by others &quot; non substantive,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">NO ADJECTIVE FOR OPPOSITION .NO ADJECTIVE FOR SCONSENSUS.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">If you want instead of making progress to draft another chatter or convention for decision making ,I disagree with that .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">It ios incumbent to the chair and the two vice chairs to make utmost efforts to build consensus-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Pls end this discussion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">2014-08-14 18:32 GMT&#43;02:00 WUKnoben &lt;<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>&gt;:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Milton is right calling for verbal clarity. But differentation is also needed and there are different approaches to achieve it. And as I said before the suggestion so far was based on GNSO
 habit.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I tried to accomodate the discussion and therefore suggest to differentiate between &#8220;recommendation by consensus&#8221; (highest level, 100%) and &#8220;recommendation&#8221; (all remaining discussion results
 leading to a recommendation).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I agree to all basic principles Martin came up with and incorporated them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I&#8217;m still uncertain with &#8220;non-substantive&#8221; issues which level of substance may depend on different views.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">I would appreciate further fruitful discussion on the list and we will hopefully see an end at our call next week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">See my edits attached.<br>
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Best regards<br>
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Wolf-Ulrich</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank" title="mueller@syr.edu">Milton L Mueller</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:12 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk" target="_blank" title="Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk">
'Martin Boyle'</a> ; <a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank" title="internal-cg@icann.org">
Coordination Group</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building process</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I must confess that I have been wincing at the way the word &#8220;consensus&#8221; is (ab)used routinely in
 these circles. Either it is truly consensus, and everyone either agrees or agrees not to object, or it is _something else_. Will we please stop trying to apply the term &#8220;consensus&#8221; to supermajority voting processes? My academic commitment to verbal clarity
 and directness is screaming at me that this is wrong.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The IETF concept of &#8220;rough&#8221; consensus is an informal mechanism that is suitable for a more homogeneous
 environment in which adherence to standards is voluntary anyway, but in an environment with binding outcomes and political factions, it can and, in the ICANN context, frequently HAS merely provided a rationalization for ignoring significant minority points
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Boyle<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building process</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">First thanks to Wolf-Ulrich for his paper.&nbsp; I greatly like the idea of standards of good behaviour
 and mutual respect &#8211; and I&#8217;m pleased to see that this is already very much the framework for the way that the ICG works.&nbsp; I&#8217;d also note that the analysis of shades of grey in levels of support is interesting &#8211; was it Patrik who first noted the two extremes
 (non-substantial and substantial issues) and the level of consensus that might be needed?&nbsp; I&#8217;m just not sure I know how to use them&#8230;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I&#8217;d firmly endorse the aim that &#8220;the ICG &#8230; reach at least Consensus on the Proposal for the IANA
 Stewardship Transition to be forwarded to the NTIA&#8221; subject to our continued effort to try to achieve full/unanimous consensus or (at least) to have addressed address points of concern.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">However, I do not like processes that are supposed to be by consensus being resolved by voting (cf
 WCIT):&nbsp; voting leaves winners and losers.&nbsp; It also means that people get lazy and fail to look for compromise or common ground or ways to address &#8220;reasonable&#8221; concerns.&nbsp; That aversion is not really addressed by supermajorities:&nbsp; even at an 80% supermajority,
 all the domain name registries or all the government representatives or all GNSO members could be overruled.&nbsp; At 85% all the ccTLD registries, at 90% all the gTLD registries could be ignored.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I do recognise the need for a mechanism that allows us to come to a final recommendation and I&#8217;m
 afraid that I do not see any magic wand.&nbsp; But I would suggest a number of basic principles:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The aim of the discussion should be to try to find a solution where *<b>no member of the ICG still maintains serious opposition to the outcome.</b>*&nbsp; Reasons for objections
 should be given, allowing the ICG wherever possible to try to address those concerns.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">*<b>Recourse to any form of voting should be the exception.</b>*&nbsp; Its use might be fine for non-substantive issues.&nbsp; For substantive issues, at least none of the &#8220;customer
 groups&#8221; (numbers, protocols, gTLDs or ccTLDs) of the IANA remains strongly opposed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Group members who still have problems with the evaluation should be invited to *<b>identify possible ways in which the proposal could be modified to make it acceptable to
 them.</b>*</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Discussions should continue until *<b>no &#8220;IANA customer&#8221; group is firmly opposed.</b>*&nbsp;
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">One final point:&nbsp; I would be willing to allow anyone who feels that they have not been heard to put
 a minority view into the final report.&nbsp; I&#8217;d rather that did not happen, but if the views are strong enough, it would be best to have then documented in the report than to be first aired in the discussion that follows the publication of our final report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 August 2014 20:48<br>
<b>To:</b> Drazek, Keith<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building process</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Undoubtedly, it would be super majority either 2/3 or 4/5 .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">2014-08-11 18:18 GMT&#43;02:00 Drazek, Keith &lt;<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I agree that we will need a clear process for determining consensus that falls somewhere on the spectrum between humming and requiring a unanimous vote.<br>
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If we get in to discussions of voting, we'll also need to address the thresholds required to establish consensus. Is it a simple majority? Super-majority?&nbsp; Unanimous voting is an unhelpful requirement that would likely obstruct our work and our ability to deliver,
 so I believe that should be a non-starter for the ICG. We need to avoid the possibility of one dissenting vote undermining an otherwise strongly supported recommendation that represents broad community consensus.<br>
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However, if/when there is not full consensus, it will be important that we have a mechanism for expressing dissenting opinions. The GNSO Registries Stakeholder Group employs a &quot;minority statement&quot; mechanism to allow for all views to be expressed when there
 is consensus but not unanimity on a particular topic. Perhaps we should consider a similar mechanism for the ICG.<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Subrenat, Jean-Jacques<br>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:09 AM<br>
To: Kavouss Arasteh<br>
Cc: Coordination Group<br>
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building process<br>
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Hello Colleagues,<br>
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>From the experience of the past few weeks, unfortunately we can conclude that the current process is not successful. Rather than meting out blame or praise, we need to understand why it's not working. Group dynamics and a bit of sociology can help.<br>
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Our Coordination Group is different from what some of us/you have come to consider as &quot;normal&quot;. The technical bodies (IETF, IAB) have developed an efficient process where &quot;rough consensus&quot; is understood and accepted. But other components of the ICG have different
 habits, and also a different accountability mechanism: however attractive &quot;rough&quot; may be, it is insufficient. For example, the GAC has its own rules (a joint position can only be reached by unanimity), and the ALAC routinely conducts all its votes on a full-membership
 basis (each member has to say ay, nay, abstain, or be noted down as not having cast a vote).<br>
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So the challenge is this: is the &quot;rough consensus&quot; really adapted to all the needs of our group? With the experience gained collectively in London, and especially since then, I would recommend a dual approach:<br>
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A/ MATTERS REQUIRING ALL MEMBERS TO VOTE (typically, to be decided as soon as possible, with the exception of our Transition plan)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; - Chair structure and membership,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; - Charter of the ICG,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; - choice of Secretariat (ICANN or outside of ICANN, or a mixture of both),<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; - choice of near-final drafts and approval of final draft of our Transition plan, before presentation to the NTIA.<br>
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B/ MATTERS WHERE OTHER FORMS OF DECISION-MAKING ARE ACCEPTABLE<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; - Appraisal of specific community input, as a contribution to the ICG's recommended plan (e.g. ALAC should appraise input from its own community before submitting it to the whole ICG),<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; - external relations and communications of the ICG (once the Chair structure has been chosen and populated, it may wish to ask Chair, or another of its members, to be the point of contact),<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; - administrative &amp; logistic matters, in conjunction with the chosen Secretariat (here too, delegation would be possible).<br>
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I'm prepared to provide a more detailed proposal for the above items.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Jean-Jacques.<br>
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De: &quot;Kavouss Arasteh&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
À: &quot;Patrik Fältström&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: &quot;Coordination Group&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
Envoyé: Lundi 11 Août 2014 10:40:08<br>
Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building process<br>
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Dear Wolf<br>
Thank you very much for reply<br>
My point is that if one or more ICG Mmember(s) is7are againszt the ruling of the Chir ,They could raise their issue and the matter must be settled by simple explanation or if not resolved by voting . I.E. CHAIR DOES NOT HAVE DECISION MAKING POWER ON HE OR HIS
 OWN WISHES RATHER TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT VIEWS OF MEMBERS Regards KAVOUSS Regards<br>
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2014-08-11 8:33 GMT&#43;02:00 Patrik Fältström &lt; <a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">
paf@frobbit.se</a> &gt; :<br>
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On 11 aug 2014, at 08:09, WUKnoben &lt; <a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">
wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a> &gt; wrote:<br>
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&gt; The chair&#8217;s designation that consensus is reached is not her/his own decision rather than a wrap-up of extensive discussions. Of course this designation can be challenged by members. And this is what triggers your question about &#8220;If several participants in
 the ICG disagree with the designation given ...&#8221;. I&#8217;m open to any helpful suggestion on how we could procede in such a case.<br>
&gt; In the end consensus - as defined &#8211; has to be achieved.<br>
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Let me emphasize what you say here, which I strongly agree with.<br>
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We must deliver.<br>
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This implies we must be able to reach consensus.<br>
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The last couple of weeks discussions on various topics makes me a bit pessimistic on the ability for us to reach consensus, but I am optimistic, always optimistic, on peoples ability and interest in actually deliver.<br>
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Remember that the chair is calling on the consensus question, not the substance. That way the power of the chair is decreased to a minimum and process issues.<br>
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Patrik<br>
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<pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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