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Milton:<br>
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I have been a strong proponent of making sure that proposals are
developed only in the communities, but I am not convinced that those
processes will necessarily be accessible beyond the normal members
of and participants to that community. If there is a specific issue
of interest, such as accountability, and there is a specific opinion
on that I think we need to be open to those comments. We can try to
make the timing of more general stakeholder comments coincide with
the publication of the proposal for comments, but we need a section
that better addresses how we are open to comments outside of the
drafting communities and how and when they can participate in our
process.<br>
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Joe <br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/22/2014 3:19 PM, Alissa Cooper
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On 8/22/14, 11:25 AM, "Milton L Mueller" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu"><mueller@syr.edu></a> wrote:
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From: Milton L Mueller
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 11:04 AM
To: 'Alissa Cooper'; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org">internal-cg@icann.org</a>
Subject: RE: [Internal-cg] Further RFP revision
Alas, there are still some unresolved issues here.
I still have to insist that the first and second paragraphs contain
language that cover the same topic, but provide different meanings and
thus open to door to conflicting interpretations that could cause us
trouble. We need to choose one or the other of the meanings and delete
the other.
Here is an exegesis:
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"Other parties may provide comments to the ICG on particular aspects that
may be covered by proposals that may be of significant interest to them,
for review by the ICG as time and resources permit. The ICG will direct
comments received from other parties to the relevant operational
communities as appropriate."
Paragraph 2:
"During the development of their proposals, the operational communities
are expected to consult and work with other affected parties; likewise,
other affected parties are strongly encouraged to participate in
community processes, as the ICG is requiring proposals that have
consensus support from a broad range of stakeholder groups."
My view is that the material from paragraph 1 must be deleted so as to
not confuse people and undermine the message in paragraph 2.
As it is written now, the material in paragraph 1 invites parties to
provide "comments" to us on "proposals" (note the _plural_ form) that are
being considered by the operational communities. To me, this seems to
invite people to provide ongoing commentary on the ideas being considered
by the operational communities as they develop a proposal or consider
alternatives. That is not what we want. We want finished, agreed
proposals.
Paragraph 2 is much clearer about what we want. It "strongly encourages"
affected parties to participate in the operational community process for
the same of "consensus support from a broad range of...groups," but it
does not completely close the door to the receipt of finished alternative
proposals where consensus is not possible.
I really think that section of paragraph 1 and paragraph 2 are
articulating separate models of response and we cannot allow the RFP to
be released with such a critical ambiguity in it.
I also made a few minor changes, related to labeling IIA as Policy source
and the second bullet point under IIB
I also responded to Martin's comments about his nervousness. My point is
that various proposals might come up with different ways of excluding or
separating policy from IANA implementation. Since we can’t use the
existing method (NTIA contract) to do so, this section is simply asking
them to explain the implications of their changes for existing policy
arrangements. However, we may be able to finesse this issue, because it
says almost the same thing as bullet point 2 in section II B. So do we
need it at all?
Finally, a word about "testing." I don't know what kind of a parallel
universe the rest of you live in, but in the world I have become familiar
with as a social scientist, there is no "testing" of legal and
institutional accountability arrangements. We can project or estimate
based on past experience, but that is all. If there are technical and
operational changes called for by a proposal, yes, we can talk about
pre-testing them in some kind of laboratory set up. But asking people to
"test" what will happen if the NTIA is not there and some other
accountability mechanism is, is asking for the impossible. So I have
altered the language to deal with this.
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To: joseph alhadeff; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org">internal-cg@icann.org</a>
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Further RFP revision
I took one more stab at this — v10 attached and uploaded.
There was some new text in v09(jha) about how people should feel free
to comment to us about transparency, completeness, etc. I think that
is true as a general matter, but that is not what we are asking for
specifically in this RFP.
That is what we will ask for — from anyone who cares to answer — after
we have the proposal components submitted (by December :)).
So I removed that text.
I also found the new first paragraph quite confusing — it said we are
issuing this RFP “for consideration” by all parties, which makes it
sound like we’re asking people to comment on the RFP itself, rather
than submit proposals. So, I did some editing on the first two
paragraphs, and also tried to work in the good suggestion from Manal
that we re-emphasize that we will direct comments to the operational
communities where we can. Here is how the first two paragraphs read now:
"The IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) is seeking
complete formal responses to this Request for Proposals (RFP) from the
“operational communities” of IANA (i.e., those with direct operational
or service relationships with IANA; namely names, numbers, protocol
parameters). Other interested and affected parties are strongly
encouraged to provide their inputs through open processes run by these
operational communities. Other parties may provide comments to the
ICG on particular aspects that may be covered by proposals that may be
of significant interest to them, for review by the ICG as time and
resources permit. The ICG will direct comments received from other
parties to the relevant operational communities as appropriate.
During the development of their proposals, the operational communities
are expected to consult and work with other affected parties;
likewise, other affected parties are strongly encouraged to
participate in community processes, as the ICG is requiring proposals
that have consensus support from a broad range of stakeholder groups.”
In section 0, I edited “change” to “address” in "Identify which
category of the IANA functions this submission proposes to change”
since some communities might propose no changes.
In section 4 I still think there are three bullet points that need
elaboration, of just one sentence each, because they are not clear on
their face:
·Continuity of service requirements
·Risks
·Service integration aspects
For example, “Risks” seems so vague that each community could write a
novel about them and not be complete. What are we really looking for
here?
Thanks,
Alissa
On 8/19/14, 8:50 AM, "joseph alhadeff" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"><joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com></a>
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<pre wrap="">I have uploaded v9(jha) with a few suggested edits to further clarify
the operational vs impacted communities comment process... Also a
question of whether testing should be limited to Section III - are
those the only changes contemplated that could impact stability and
functionality?
I think we are getting pretty close to a final draft...
Joe
On 8/19/2014 11:05 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
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Done. It is uploaded as docx as version 09. Also proposed some
minor clarity changes to the preamble and added a comment responding
to Martin's nervousness. We can't have Martin being nervous.
Milton L Mueller
Laura J and L. Douglas Meredith Professor Syracuse University
School of Information Studies
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/">http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/</a>
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:internal-cg">mailto:internal-cg</a>-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Further RFP revision
Milton, thanks for your comments on the "section 0" part. this
adds some needed clarity about the whole orientation of this
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If you can, please make further edits to the version 8 document
linked below.
Paul.
On 19 Aug 2014, at 9:30 pm, Paul Wilson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pwilson@apnic.net"><pwilson@apnic.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Apologies for the delay, a new RFP revision is now online:
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Paul
On 19 Aug 2014, at 8:52 pm, Paul Wilson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pwilson@apnic.net"><pwilson@apnic.net></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dear all,
I am in the process of reconciling all inputs on the latest RFP
document,
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Paul.
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