<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Alissa,</div><div>Please advise whether or not after several support to my proposal as contained/ mentioned in rev 2 that I did send you three days ago , v14 is now amended or not</div><div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-30 14:31 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Dear All,</div><div>My rev 2 doc. relating to amenfment to v 14 of Draft RFP has not been taken into account</div>
</div><div>I think it is not fair withourt examining a proposal to ignor it</div><div>kavouss </div>
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Date: 2014-08-30 14:30 GMT+02:00<br>Subject: Fwd: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?<br>To: Coordination Group <<a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a>><br><br><br><div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>My rev 2 doc. relating to amenfment to v 14 of Draft RFP has not been taken into account</div><div>I think it is not fair withourt examining a proposal it should be ignored</div><span><font color="#888888"><div>
Kavouss <br></div></font></span><div class="gmail_quote"><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">joseph alhadeff</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>></span><br>
Date: 2014-08-30 11:35 GMT+02:00<br>Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?<br></div><div><div>To: Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Off list:<br>
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I've lost a bit of the thread...<br>
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Which of your proposed edits s the one that hasn't been properly
accounted for?<br>
<br>
Joe<div><div><br>
<div>On 8/30/2014 3:31 AM, Kavouss Arasteh
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>Dear Alissa</div>
<div>What Milton agreed was on consensus building process and
not on RFP .</div>
<div>What we are talking here is RFP. I have made some changes
which are not of editorial nature but essential.</div>
<div>There are inconsistencies in the v14 as I have indicated.</div>
<div>I have sent that twice and I request to be considered
before being published as draft .</div>
<div>I am not in the little group nevertheless the amendment
that I have proposed are essebntial.</div>
<div>However, should every body agree that the draft should be
published I have no problem provided that everybody
understand that the amendments proposed by me are still
valid and to be considered.</div>
<div>I have informed in different manner </div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-30 9:29 GMT+02:00 Kavouss
Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>Dear Alissa</div>
<div>what Milton agreed was on consensus building process.</div>
<div>What we are talking here is RFP. I have made some
changes which are not of editorial nature but essential.</div>
<div>There are inconsistencies in the v14 as I have
indicated.</div>
<div>I have sent that twice and I request to be considered
before being published as draft .</div>
<div>I am not in the little group nevertheless the
amendment that I have proposed are essebntial.</div>
<div>However, should every body agree that the draft
should be published I have no problem provided that
everybody understand that the amendments proposed by me
are still valid and to be considered.</div>
<div>I have informed in different manner </div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-30 7:06 GMT+02:00 Paul
Wilson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pwilson@apnic.net" target="_blank">pwilson@apnic.net</a>></span>:
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">I
am keen to publish the draft, as a draft, soon
please. It doesn’t need to be perfected before we
do that.<br>
<br>
For the record I agree with Kavouss’ suggestions,
as amended by Milton, and happy for these to be
included<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
<br>
Paul.<br>
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On 30 Aug 2014, at 4:26 am, Kavouss Arasteh
<<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Milton,<br>
> Thank you again for yr analysis<br>
> Yes I could make a consensus with your
last suggestion<br>
> Pls go ahead and I thank you for that.<br>
> By the way do you know any ting about a
book published in 70 s about that group?<br>
> tks and have a nice week-end ,if I do not
hear from you<br>
> Kavouss<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2014-08-29 20:12 GMT+02:00 Mohamed El
Bashir <<a href="mailto:mbashir@mbash.net" target="_blank">mbashir@mbash.net</a>>:<br>
> After reviewing Kavouss RFP updates, I
prefer to keep the text " light coordination
role" and I am fine with the rest of the
updates .<br>
><br>
> We suppose to finished and published the
RFP yesterday, I propose move ahead and
publish the latest version as agreed before
the IGF.<br>
><br>
> Kind Regards,<br>
> Mohamed<br>
><br>
> On 29 Aug 2014, at 19:47, Kavouss Arasteh
<<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Dear Manal<br>
>> ,<br>
>> I am not pointing toward any one who
made the suggestion that the adjective " Light
" being added to the word or term "
Coordination "<br>
>> I am just saysing that ICG tasks .
interalia, is to coordinate the activities .<br>
>> This does not any thing to do with
TOP down or button up process .Just it does
not feet. It give the impression that the
activities of ICCG on this matter is a light
activitiwes and not a complete and in-depth<br>
>> Tks<br>
>> Kavouss<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 2014-08-29 19:10 GMT+02:00 Manal
Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>:<br>
>> This was not the intention of course
.. I have inserted this clause “in order to
help ICG maintain its light coordination role”
as I thought 2 things would make it more
convincing for non-operational parties to work
through the operational communities processes:<br>
>><br>
>> - to make sure the ICG does
not have a top-down decision-making authority,
and<br>
>><br>
>> - to make sure their
contributions are considered early within the
process, and directly discussed with the
relevant party<br>
>><br>
>> Just thought to clarify, but I’m
flexible should colleagues feel it does not
serve the purpose of the first bullet ..<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kind Regards<br>
>><br>
>> --Manal<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh<br>
>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:45 PM<br>
>> To: Milton L Mueller<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Cc: Coordination Group<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP -
publishable draft?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Dear Milton,<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you very much for your kind
response .You are among the most knowledgeable
and competent as far as I understand the
exchange of message.<br>
>><br>
>> Pls kindly note that the term LIGHT
before coordination, weakenes our actions .It
could be interpreted that the coordination
actions that we undertake is not sufficiently
serious as it is qualified by the adjective
LIGHT.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Would it cause any difficulty that we
delete that and just refer to coordination
without any qualification.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>><br>
>> Kavouss<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 2014-08-29 15:54 GMT+02:00 Milton L
Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>> My opinions regarding Kavouss’s
proposed changes:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Would prefer to keep “light” in
there.<br>
>><br>
>> OK to remove the word “only” from the
paragraph on Comments<br>
>><br>
>> OK to replace “direct” with “forward”<br>
>><br>
>> OK to replace “encourages” with
“urges”<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Milton L Mueller<br>
>><br>
>> Laura J and L. Douglas Meredith
Professor<br>
>><br>
>> Syracuse University School of
Information Studies<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/" target="_blank">http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Martin Boyle<br>
>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:46 AM<br>
>> To: Kavouss Arasteh; Daniel
Karrenberg<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Cc: Coordination Group<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP -
publishable draft?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks Alissa for your work on this.
I’m sure we could continue word-smithing this
for a long time, and I’m happy to go.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kavouss’s comment on light: I like
the term as it reminds everyone that we are
not planning to play the autocrats. But if
non-native English speakers find the meaning
obscure I’m ok without.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Cheers<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Martin<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh<br>
>> Sent: 29 August 2014 13:32<br>
>> To: Daniel Karrenberg<br>
>> Cc: Coordination Group<br>
>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP -
publishable draft?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Dear Alissa,<br>
>><br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>><br>
>> I suggest some small amendments to
make various parts of the text consistent with
each other<br>
>><br>
>> See attachment<br>
>><br>
>> Kavouss the l<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 2014-08-29 13:37 GMT+02:00 Daniel
Karrenberg <<a href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net" target="_blank">daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</a>>:<br>
>><br>
>> On 28.08.14 23:36 , Alissa Cooper
wrote:<br>
>> > ...<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Are there any objections to
publishing this as a draft (and having the<br>
>> > secretariat host it on our web
site and make an announcement about its<br>
>> > existence) by Sept 1?<br>
>><br>
>> I support publishing this as a daft
with Elise's corrections.<br>
>><br>
>> Daniel<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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