<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Alissa,</div><div>Please advise whether or not after several support to my proposal as contained/ mentioned in rev 2 that I did send you three days ago , v14 is now amended or not</div><div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-30 14:31 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Dear All,</div><div>My rev 2 doc. relating to amenfment to v 14 of Draft RFP has not been taken into account</div>
</div><div>I think it is not fair withourt examining a proposal  to ignor it</div><div>kavouss </div>
<div><div><img src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"></div></div><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Kavouss Arasteh</b> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>

Date: 2014-08-30 14:30 GMT+02:00<br>Subject: Fwd: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?<br>To: Coordination Group &lt;<a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br><br><br><div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>My rev 2 doc. relating to amenfment to v 14 of Draft RFP has not been taken into account</div><div>I think it is not fair withourt examining a proposal it should be ignored</div><span><font color="#888888"><div>
Kavouss <br></div></font></span><div class="gmail_quote"><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">joseph alhadeff</b> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>&gt;</span><br>


Date: 2014-08-30 11:35 GMT+02:00<br>Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?<br></div><div><div>To: Kavouss Arasteh &lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>

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    Off list:<br>
    <br>
    I&#39;ve lost a bit of the thread...<br>
    <br>
    Which of your proposed edits s the one that hasn&#39;t been properly
    accounted for?<br>
    <br>
    Joe<div><div><br>
    <div>On 8/30/2014 3:31 AM, Kavouss Arasteh
      wrote:<br>
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          <div>Dear All,</div>
          <div>Dear Alissa</div>
          <div>What Milton agreed was on consensus building process and
            not on RFP .</div>
          <div>What we are talking here is RFP. I have made some changes
            which are not of editorial nature but essential.</div>
          <div>There are inconsistencies in the v14 as I have indicated.</div>
          <div>I have sent that twice and I request to be considered
            before being published as draft .</div>
          <div>I am not in the little group nevertheless the amendment
            that I have proposed are essebntial.</div>
          <div>However, should every body agree that the draft should be
            published I have no problem provided that everybody
            understand that the amendments proposed by me are still
            valid and to be considered.</div>
          <div>I have informed in different manner </div>
          <div>Regards</div>
          <div>Kavouss </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-30 9:29 GMT+02:00 Kavouss
          Arasteh <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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              <div>Dear All,</div>
              <div>Dear Alissa</div>
              <div>what Milton agreed was on consensus building process.</div>
              <div>What we are talking here is RFP. I have made some
                changes which are not of editorial nature but essential.</div>
              <div>There are inconsistencies in the v14 as I have
                indicated.</div>
              <div>I have sent that twice and I request to be considered
                before being published as draft .</div>
              <div>I am not in the little group nevertheless the
                amendment that I have proposed are essebntial.</div>
              <div>However, should every body agree that the draft
                should be published I have no problem provided that
                everybody understand that the amendments proposed by me
                are still valid and to be considered.</div>
              <div>I have informed in different manner </div>
              <div>Regards</div>
              <div>Kavouss </div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-30 7:06 GMT+02:00 Paul
                Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pwilson@apnic.net" target="_blank">pwilson@apnic.net</a>&gt;</span>:
                <div>
                  <div><br>
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                      am keen to publish the draft, as a draft, soon
                      please.  It doesn’t need to be perfected before we
                      do that.<br>
                      <br>
                      For the record I agree with Kavouss’ suggestions,
                      as amended by Milton, and happy for these to be
                      included<br>
                      <br>
                      thanks<br>
                      <br>
                      Paul.<br>
                      <br>
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                          On 30 Aug 2014, at 4:26 am, Kavouss Arasteh
                          &lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                          wrote:<br>
                          <br>
                          &gt; Milton,<br>
                          &gt; Thank you again for yr analysis<br>
                          &gt; Yes I could make a consensus with your
                          last suggestion<br>
                          &gt; Pls go ahead and I thank you for that.<br>
                          &gt; By the way do you know any ting about a
                          book published in 70 s about that group?<br>
                          &gt; tks and have a nice week-end ,if I do not
                          hear from you<br>
                          &gt; Kavouss<br>
                          &gt;<br>
                          &gt;<br>
                          &gt; 2014-08-29 20:12 GMT+02:00 Mohamed El
                          Bashir &lt;<a href="mailto:mbashir@mbash.net" target="_blank">mbashir@mbash.net</a>&gt;:<br>
                          &gt; After reviewing Kavouss RFP updates, I
                          prefer to keep the text &quot; light coordination
                          role&quot; and I am fine with the rest of the
                          updates .<br>
                          &gt;<br>
                          &gt; We suppose to finished and published the
                          RFP yesterday, I propose move ahead and
                          publish the latest version as agreed before
                          the IGF.<br>
                          &gt;<br>
                          &gt; Kind Regards,<br>
                          &gt; Mohamed<br>
                          &gt;<br>
                          &gt; On 29 Aug 2014, at 19:47, Kavouss Arasteh
                          &lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                          wrote:<br>
                          &gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Dear Manal<br>
                          &gt;&gt; ,<br>
                          &gt;&gt; I am not pointing toward any one who
                          made the suggestion that the adjective &quot; Light
                          &quot; being added to the word or term &quot;
                          Coordination &quot;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; I am just saysing that ICG tasks .
                          interalia, is to coordinate the activities .<br>
                          &gt;&gt; This does not any thing to do with
                          TOP down or button up process .Just it does
                          not feet. It give the impression that the
                          activities of ICCG on this matter is a light
                          activitiwes and not a complete and in-depth<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Tks<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Kavouss<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; 2014-08-29 19:10 GMT+02:00 Manal
                          Ismail &lt;<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>&gt;:<br>
                          &gt;&gt; This was not the intention of course
                          .. I have inserted this clause “in order to
                          help ICG maintain its light coordination role”
                          as I thought 2 things would make it more
                          convincing for non-operational parties to work
                          through the operational communities processes:<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; -          to make sure the ICG does
                          not have a top-down decision-making authority,
                          and<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; -          to make sure their
                          contributions are considered early within the
                          process, and directly discussed with the
                          relevant party<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Just thought to clarify, but I’m
                          flexible should colleagues feel it does not
                          serve the purpose of the first bullet ..<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Kind Regards<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; --Manal<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>
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                          On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:45 PM<br>
                          &gt;&gt; To: Milton L Mueller<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Cc: Coordination Group<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP -
                          publishable draft?<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Dear Milton,<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Thank you very much for your kind
                          response .You are among the most knowledgeable
                          and competent as far as I understand the
                          exchange of message.<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Pls kindly note that the term LIGHT
                          before coordination, weakenes our actions .It
                          could be interpreted that the coordination
                          actions that we undertake is not sufficiently
                          serious as it is qualified by the adjective
                          LIGHT.<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Would it cause any difficulty that we
                          delete that and just refer to coordination
                          without any qualification.<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Regards<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Kavouss<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; 2014-08-29 15:54 GMT+02:00 Milton L
                          Mueller &lt;<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>&gt;:<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; My opinions regarding Kavouss’s
                          proposed changes:<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Would prefer to keep “light” in
                          there.<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; OK to remove the word “only” from the
                          paragraph on Comments<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; OK to replace “direct” with “forward”<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; OK to replace “encourages” with
                          “urges”<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Milton L Mueller<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Laura J and L. Douglas Meredith
                          Professor<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Syracuse University School of
                          Information Studies<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; <a href="http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/" target="_blank">http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/</a><br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>
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                          On Behalf Of Martin Boyle<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:46 AM<br>
                          &gt;&gt; To: Kavouss Arasteh; Daniel
                          Karrenberg<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Cc: Coordination Group<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP -
                          publishable draft?<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Thanks Alissa for your work on this. 
                          I’m sure we could continue word-smithing this
                          for a long time, and I’m happy to go.<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Kavouss’s comment on light:  I like
                          the term as it reminds everyone that we are
                          not planning to play the autocrats.  But if
                          non-native English speakers find the meaning
                          obscure I’m ok without.<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Cheers<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Martin<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>
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                          On Behalf Of Kavouss Arasteh<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Sent: 29 August 2014 13:32<br>
                          &gt;&gt; To: Daniel Karrenberg<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Cc: Coordination Group<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP -
                          publishable draft?<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Dear Alissa,<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Dear All,<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; I suggest some small amendments to
                          make various parts of the text consistent with
                          each other<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; See attachment<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Kavouss  the l<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; 2014-08-29 13:37 GMT+02:00 Daniel
                          Karrenberg &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net" target="_blank">daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</a>&gt;:<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; On 28.08.14 23:36 , Alissa Cooper
                          wrote:<br>
                          &gt;&gt; &gt; ...<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; &gt; Are there any objections to
                          publishing this as a draft (and having the<br>
                          &gt;&gt; &gt; secretariat host it on our web
                          site and make an announcement about its<br>
                          &gt;&gt; &gt; existence) by Sept 1?<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; I support publishing this as a daft
                          with Elise&#39;s corrections.<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt; Daniel<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                          &gt;&gt;
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