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<DIV>Sorry for my absence over the last days! I’m just trying to catch up with
all the information and comments exchanged regarding the consensus building
document and put it together to a “clean draft” we can furtheron work with. I
hope it will be ready later today.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">I’ve
recognised that different threads are in use for the topic (e.g. “RFP”) which is
adding confusion. Please return to “consensus building” in the reference
line.<BR><BR>Thanks for your comments and best
regards<BR><BR>Wolf-Ulrich<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk
href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk">Martin Boyle</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 01, 2014 2:47 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com
href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">joseph alhadeff</A> ; <A
title=internal-cg@icann.org
href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org">internal-cg@icann.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable
draft?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I
agree with Joe that we probably need to have a clean draft to work on – it is
getting hard to read.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>For
Joe’s comments I’m ok with all <B>except</B> the comment (j13) that “Members
should also be able to request the officers to conduct a poll.” That seems
to open for anyone to jump a vote without allowing “adversaries” to find a happy
compromise. I think it could be a barrier to getting to real
consensus. Polls should be the exception and their use justified. As
I’ve said before, I do not like voting in this framework: while I
recognise it might be a necessary evil, it does undermine the
consensus-development process.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Martin<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
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lang=EN-US
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; COLOR: windowtext'>
internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>joseph alhadeff<BR><B>Sent:</B> 31 August 2014 12:28<BR><B>To:</B>
internal-cg@icann.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable
draft?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P>I have added some proposed edits and comments. I agree that we have too
many terms<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN>that have too flexible an
interpretation. I also think the document is lost in the comments.
Can we move a next draft forward that tries to incorporate some of these
comments and allows us to better consider flow and duplication?<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On 8/31/2014 4:52 AM, Kavouss
Arasteh wrote:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dear
All,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Now that we have reconciled
on RFP as announced by Alissa to have been finalized
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I want to come back to come back to Consensus
Building.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I the meantime I have amended the proposals that I made
based on some comments and attached here for your kind consideration as ka v3
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>KAVOUSS <o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><o:p></o:p> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>2014-08-30 23:10 GMT+02:00 Martin Boyle <<A
href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk"
target=_blank>Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</A>>:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Alissa,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Thanks for this:
I can’t say any of these changes really make much difference to the text as
far as I am concerned so, although I still would prefer the original wording
I’m ok to accept them all. I’d note that on page 2 the first sentence in
the first paragraph under I does not read right to me: should it read
“…and that all interested parties *<B>should</B>* get involved…”? But
please do not hold this up this draft any further on my
account.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">On your
“separate point,” I would agree that there needs to be a certain time lapse
between drafts to allow for all comments to come in. Two days can
actually mean only a day and a half with time-zones and accidents on time of
posting. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I’d go back to a
point that NZ-Keith made about decisions on conference calls and re-think it
for discussion drafts – that there should be time for proposals and
counter-proposals on any draft, followed by a complete clean copy
incorporating any amendments from the discussion. The important stage is
how long a clean draft is on the table without any further comments before it
is adopted: could we make it 3 days for this phase (unless all
protagonists in the discussion have agreed with the suggested compromise),
which allows for peoples’ absences or travel schedules? <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">But more
important is, let’s try not to rush from one draft to another unless there is
a good reason (like the page is getting too cluttered to read)?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">And let us all
also remember that we all have our own views and that these will often be at
odds: when we propose a change, there should be a decent time for others
to consider this idea and to formulate a response. I have been in the
position where I have been drafting a commentary on one draft when the next
has dropped into the box: very frustrating! But also, this is not
very conducive to coherent discussion.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Best<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Martin<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Alissa
Cooper<BR><B>Sent:</B> 30 August 2014 19:13<BR><B>To:</B> Kavouss Arasteh;
Coordination Group</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable
draft?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Kavouss,
all,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Attached and in
dropbox are v14-alc-ka-alc and v14-alc-ka-alc-clean. These contain the changes
suggested by Kavouss and the “light-handed” compromise suggested by Milton. As
soon as we get the link to the centralized information portal from Alice
(which we need on page 1 of the RFP), we’ll get the secretariat to post this
version on the web site and make an announcement.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">On a separate
note, it might make sense to spend a little time at the Sept 6 meeting talking
about expectations for people’s response times to emails, document reviews,
etc. As I have already noted on this list, in my opinion allowing at least 48
hours for responses during the week and 72 hours for responses over a weekend
is justified by the fact that we are all busy people volunteering our time for
this activity. In the case of this particular document, the edits from Kavouss
arrived in my inbox at 5:30am in my time zone on Friday, while I was asleep. I
woke up a few hours later, answered some other emails (since I knew we
wouldn’t have the portal link ready before I got on my flights to Turkey) and
left for the airport to travel to Istanbul at 9:00am. I spent 24 of the 26
hours since then in transit. If people expect faster response times, that is
something we should discuss as a group.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Alissa<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">On 8/30/14, 5:36
AM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <<A href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Dear
Alissa,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Please advise
whether or not after several support to my proposal as contained/ mentioned
in rev 2 that I did send you three days ago , v14 is now amended or
not<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Regards<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Kavouss
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">2014-08-30
14:31 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <<A
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</A>>:<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Dear
All,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">My rev 2 doc.
relating to amenfment to v 14 of Draft RFP has not been taken into
account<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I think it is
not fair withourt examining a proposal to ignor
it<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">kavouss
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto">---------- Forwarded
message ----------<BR>From: <B>Kavouss Arasteh</B> <<A
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</A>><BR>Date: 2014-08-30 14:30
GMT+02:00<BR>Subject: Fwd: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable draft?<BR>To:
Coordination Group <<A href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org"
target=_blank>Internal-cg@icann.org</A>><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Dear
All,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">My rev 2 doc.
relating to amenfment to v 14 of Draft RFP has not been taken into
account<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I think it is
not fair withourt examining a proposal it should be
ignored<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Kavouss
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">----------
Forwarded message ----------<BR>From: <B>joseph alhadeff</B> <<A
href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"
target=_blank>joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</A>><BR>Date: 2014-08-30 11:35
GMT+02:00<BR>Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP - publishable
draft?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto">To:
Kavouss Arasteh <<A href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</A>><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Off
list:<BR><BR>I've lost a bit of the thread...<BR><BR>Which of your proposed
edits s the one that hasn't been properly accounted
for?<BR><BR>Joe<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">On 8/30/2014
3:31 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Dear
All,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Dear
Alissa<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">What Milton
agreed was on consensus building process and not on RFP
.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">What we are
talking here is RFP. I have made some changes which are not of editorial
nature but essential.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">There are
inconsistencies in the v14 as I have indicated.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I have sent
that twice and I request to be considered before being published as draft
.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I am not in
the little group nevertheless the amendment that I have proposed are
essebntial.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">However,
should every body agree that the draft should be published I have no
problem provided that everybody understand that the amendments proposed by
me are still valid and to be considered.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I have
informed in different manner <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Regards<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">2014-08-30
9:29 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <<A
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</A>>:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Dear
All,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Dear
Alissa<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">what Milton
agreed was on consensus building process.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">What we are
talking here is RFP. I have made some changes which are not of editorial
nature but essential.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">There are
inconsistencies in the v14 as I have indicated.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I have sent
that twice and I request to be considered before being published as draft
.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I am not in
the little group nevertheless the amendment that I have proposed are
essebntial.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">However,
should every body agree that the draft should be published I have no
problem provided that everybody understand that the amendments proposed by
me are still valid and to be considered.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I have
informed in different manner <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Regards<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Kavouss
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">2014-08-30
7:06 GMT+02:00 Paul Wilson <<A href="mailto:pwilson@apnic.net"
target=_blank>pwilson@apnic.net</A>>: <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I am keen
to publish the draft, as a draft, soon please. It doesn’t need to
be perfected before we do that.<BR><BR>For the record I agree with
Kavouss’ suggestions, as amended by Milton, and happy for these to be
included<BR><BR>thanks<BR><BR>Paul.<BR><BR>________________________________________________________________________<BR>Paul
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30 Aug 2014, at 4:26 am, Kavouss Arasteh <<A
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>>
Milton,<BR>> Thank you again for yr analysis<BR>> Yes I could make
a consensus with your last suggestion<BR>> Pls go ahead and I thank
you for that.<BR>> By the way do you know any ting about a book
published in 70 s about that group?<BR>> tks and have a nice week-end
,if I do not hear from you<BR>> Kavouss<BR>><BR>><BR>>
2014-08-29 20:12 GMT+02:00 Mohamed El Bashir <<A
href="mailto:mbashir@mbash.net"
target=_blank>mbashir@mbash.net</A>>:<BR>> After reviewing Kavouss
RFP updates, I prefer to keep the text " light coordination role" and I
am fine with the rest of the updates .<BR>><BR>> We suppose to
finished and published the RFP yesterday, I propose move ahead and
publish the latest version as agreed before the IGF.<BR>><BR>>
Kind Regards,<BR>> Mohamed<BR>><BR>> On 29 Aug 2014, at 19:47,
Kavouss Arasteh <<A href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Dear Manal<BR>>> ,<BR>>> I am not
pointing toward any one who made the suggestion that the adjective "
Light " being added to the word or term " Coordination "<BR>>> I
am just saysing that ICG tasks . interalia, is to coordinate the
activities .<BR>>> This does not any thing to do with TOP down or
button up process .Just it does not feet. It give the impression that
the activities of ICCG on this matter is a light activitiwes and not a
complete and in-depth<BR>>> Tks<BR>>>
Kavouss<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> 2014-08-29 19:10 GMT+02:00
Manal Ismail <<A href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg"
target=_blank>manal@tra.gov.eg</A>>:<BR>>> This was not the
intention of course .. I have inserted this clause “in order to help ICG
maintain its light coordination role” as I thought 2 things would make
it more convincing for non-operational parties to work through the
operational communities processes:<BR>>><BR>>>
- to make sure the
ICG does not have a top-down decision-making authority,
and<BR>>><BR>>>
- to make sure
their contributions are considered early within the process, and
directly discussed with the relevant party<BR>>><BR>>> Just
thought to clarify, but I’m flexible should colleagues feel it does not
serve the purpose of the first bullet
..<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Kind
Regards<BR>>><BR>>>
--Manal<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> From: <A
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A>] On Behalf Of Kavouss
Arasteh<BR>>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:45 PM<BR>>>
To: Milton L Mueller<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Cc:
Coordination Group<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP -
publishable draft?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Dear
Milton,<BR>>><BR>>> Thank you very much for your kind
response .You are among the most knowledgeable and competent as far as I
understand the exchange of message.<BR>>><BR>>> Pls kindly
note that the term LIGHT before coordination, weakenes our actions .It
could be interpreted that the coordination actions that we undertake is
not sufficiently serious as it is qualified by the adjective
LIGHT.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Would it cause
any difficulty that we delete that and just refer to coordination
without any qualification.<BR>>><BR>>>
Regards<BR>>><BR>>>
Kavouss<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> 2014-08-29 15:54
GMT+02:00 Milton L Mueller <<A href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu"
target=_blank>mueller@syr.edu</A>>:<BR>>><BR>>> My
opinions regarding Kavouss’s proposed
changes:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Would prefer to
keep “light” in there.<BR>>><BR>>> OK to remove the word
“only” from the paragraph on Comments<BR>>><BR>>> OK to
replace “direct” with “forward”<BR>>><BR>>> OK to replace
“encourages” with
“urges”<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Milton L
Mueller<BR>>><BR>>> Laura J and L. Douglas Meredith
Professor<BR>>><BR>>> Syracuse University School of
Information Studies<BR>>><BR>>> <A
href="http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/"
target=_blank>http://faculty.ischool.syr.edu/mueller/</A><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
From: <A href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A>] On Behalf Of Martin
Boyle<BR>>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:46 AM<BR>>> To:
Kavouss Arasteh; Daniel Karrenberg<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Cc: Coordination Group<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] RFP -
publishable draft?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Thanks Alissa for your work on this. I’m sure we could continue
word-smithing this for a long time, and I’m happy to
go.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Kavouss’s comment on
light: I like the term as it reminds everyone that we are not
planning to play the autocrats. But if non-native English speakers
find the meaning obscure I’m ok
without.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Cheers<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Martin<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> From: <A
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A>] On Behalf Of Kavouss
Arasteh<BR>>> Sent: 29 August 2014 13:32<BR>>> To: Daniel
Karrenberg<BR>>> Cc: Coordination Group<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[Internal-cg] RFP - publishable
draft?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Dear
Alissa,<BR>>><BR>>> Dear All,<BR>>><BR>>> I
suggest some small amendments to make various parts of the text
consistent with each other<BR>>><BR>>> See
attachment<BR>>><BR>>> Kavouss the
l<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> 2014-08-29 13:37
GMT+02:00 Daniel Karrenberg <<A
href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net"
target=_blank>daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</A>>:<BR>>><BR>>>
On 28.08.14 23:36 , Alissa Cooper wrote:<BR>>> >
...<BR>>><BR>>> ><BR>>> > Are there any
objections to publishing this as a draft (and having the<BR>>>
> secretariat host it on our web site and make an announcement about
its<BR>>> > existence) by Sept 1?<BR>>><BR>>> I
support publishing this as a daft with Elise's
corrections.<BR>>><BR>>>
Daniel<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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