<div dir="ltr"><div>Alissa</div><div>There is no legality to any decision made through correspondence until it is approved in a f2f </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-02 13:50 GMT+02:00 Alissa Cooper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><div>Kavouss, all,</div><div><br></div><div>
My personal views are below.</div><div><div><br></div><span><div><div>On 9/2/14, 12:32 PM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
</div><div><br></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div>Patrik</div><div>I tried to be constructive pls kindly do not misinterprete that</div><div>I suggest that we need at the end of the meeting a brief summary of what we have agreed in order not to leave it to the chair and Vice Chairs to do it as they understood.</div>
</div></blockquote></span><div><br></div></div><div>Samantha will be at the meeting to take minutes. I suggest that she keep track of the action items and decision points so that she can read a summary of them during the meeting wrap-up and send the summary to the mailing list.</div>
<div><div><br></div><span><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div>We must know at the end of the meeting what we have agreed</div><div>That point is not included</div><div>From legal point of view the ICG in full f2 f session need to formally pronounce the designation of the chair and vice chairs</div>
<div>What is agreed is only by correspondence and must be approved</div></div></blockquote></span><div><br></div></div><div>I do not think any one of this group’s communication methods should be considered more formal than the others. Furthermore, between meetings, conference calls, and the mailing list, it is the mailing list that is most accessible to everyone in the group. We have had several calls and meetings already, none of which involved all ICG members. The meeting on Sept 6 will not involve all members, and I expect given our busy schedules that we are unlikely to have many meetings or calls where everyone can be present. The mailing list, however, is available to everyone.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Therefore, we should be able to use any of our communications methods to come to decisions, we should not privilege one over the others, and we should not spend precious face-to-face time revisiting decisions that have already been finalized using other means of communication.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Alissa</div><div><br></div><span><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div>Tks Kavouss</div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">2014-09-02 11:23 GMT+02:00 Patrik Fältström <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>></span>:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div><div class="h5">Dear Kavouss,<div><br>
</div><div>Words chosen like you here do does not help our process move forward. We are working together, and that implies we also when we might disagree with each other must act in a constructive manner.</div><div><br></div>
<div>Can you please be more specific on which one of your proposals where disregarded and ignored?</div><div><br></div><div>I did respond to your and other's suggestions, responded with what action I took related to them. If you or someone else do believe I did draw the wrong conclusions, just speak up and let the group know what the counter proposal is.</div>
<span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div> Patrik</div></font></span></div></div><div><div><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On 2 sep 2014, at 12:14, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div>Patreik</div><div>I am disappointed</div><div>Once again what I proposed was disregarded</div><div>I still believe that they were valid</div>
<div>Pls reconsider that and do not ignor that</div><div>Regards</div><div>KAVOUSS</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">2014-09-02 6:43 GMT+02:00 Patrik Fältström <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>></span>:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div><div class="h5">Wolf-Ulrich,<div><br>
</div><div>With that agenda item I was thinking of giving the ability for ICG members to report back "what they see is happening" in the community. It was intentionally not specific. I.e. I felt we should have some time on the agenda where it was possible for ICG members to talk about the world outside of ICG.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If specific ICG members want to say something, let me know and we will that way see how much time we can allocate per such "reporting back" sub-section.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div>
<br></div><div> Patrik</div></font></span></div></div><div><div><br><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On 2 sep 2014, at 01:39, WUKnoben <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>> wrote:</div>
<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt"><div><div class="h5"><div>I’m fine with your agenda and Manal’s addition. I also agree to keeping an
eye to best clustering.</div><div> </div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">Re
community updates: do you refer to those “communities” listed in the ICG members
list?<br><br>Best regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline"><div style="font:10pt/normal tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
<div> </div><div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)"><div><b>From:</b> <a title="paf@frobbit.se" href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">Patrik Fältström</a> </div><div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 01, 2014 11:40 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div><div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Coordination Group</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Proposed agenda for meeting on Sep
6</div></div></div><div> </div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline"><div><div class="h5">Dear
Kavouss,
<div> </div><div>Regarding your proposals. The schedule of events is part of the timeline,
and I interpret your suggestion regarding "ICANN Enhanced Accountability
Process" being what Manal already proposed.</div><div> </div><div>Regarding your request for confirmation for for example the three
chair/vice-chair positions not bee needed, as we neither as you say had 100%
voting, nor will we have 100% participation at this meeting. We will never have
100% participation in any kind of participation. And that is why I personally am
extremely careful of in a context like ICG (or similar to it) talk about a
certain percentage be needed to reach a conclusion.</div><div> </div><div>If we have consensus, within an announced timeline, then we have reached a
conclusion.</div><div> </div><div>The rest are implementation details.</div><div> </div><div> Patrik</div></div></div><div><div> </div><div><div><div class="h5"><div>On 1 sep 2014, at 21:07, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear Patrik</div>
<div>Yes I also agree with Manal .In addition we need to examine the relation
between the Enhanced ICANN Accountability and activities of ICG as referred to
in the Charter </div>
<div>I have made some suggestions .I have made some changes as attached</div>
<div>KAVOUSS </div></div>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">2014-09-01 17:45 GMT+02:00 Patrik Fältström <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>></span>:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
<div><div><div class="h5">Joseph,
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks for the suggestion. Let me think about this. It is important we
cluster things the right way so that we also at the same time have time to
actually walk through the full agenda. Clusters makes us save
time.</div><span><font color="#888888">
<div> </div>
<div> Patrik</div></font></span>
</div></div><div>
<div>
<div> </div>
<div><div><div class="h5">
<div>On 1 sep 2014, at 14:50, joseph alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>> wrote:</div><br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div class="h5">The only question I would have is
should we move the consensus process document to be closer to the RFP
discussion...<br>
<div>On 9/1/2014 7:15 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote:<br></div>
</div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><pre>All,
Attached is a proposed agenda for the meeting on September 6.
Please come back with feedback on this list.
Regards, Patrik Fältström
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