<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>Please take the following attachment( my proposal 0 and compare it with version 5 and kindly find out differences</div><div>By the way you propose to replace " expected " agreed" ,I am sorry this is not some thing that we agree or disagree this is something that is imcumbent to all of us therefroe either we use the term " shall" or " should'"</div>
<div>There are other points</div><div>Please carefully read attachments plus three other messages sent since then</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div>
<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-02 23:09 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">for the
“many of your suggestions which where not taken into account” I’d like to answer
with words Patrick was using in his answer to you:</div>
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<div style><font face="Times New Roman">Can you please
be more specific on which one of your proposals where disregarded and
ignored?</font></div>
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<div style><font face="Times New Roman">I did respond to
your and other's suggestions, responded with what action I took related to them.
If you or someone else do believe I did draw the wrong conclusions, just speak
up and let the group know what the counter proposal is.</font></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">To the
points you made specifically in your email attached I have inserted my comments
in blue.<br><br>Best regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 02, 2014 3:16 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">WUKnoben</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Coordination Group</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building</div></div></div>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>Thank you very much for V5 Draft</div>
<div>Still many of my suggestions were not taken into account</div>
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<div>ICG is expected ... where as I clearly mentioned that we should not talk
about or refer to expectation rather talk about or refer to what should be done
either mandatory " shall " or morally mandatory " should " or between the
two " needs to " </div>
</div><div><font color="#0000ff">WUK: I understand that you would like to turn the
“expectation” (which maybe imposed from outside the ICG) into “action” (coming
from ICG inside). This indeed is more firm. How about “agree” (see updated v5 in
dropbox).</font></div><div>
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<div>Quorums</div>
<div>What is the criteria used ," at least one member from each
communities" what are these communities quantitatively </div>
</div><div><font style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">WUK: </font><font color="#0000ff">I made
reference to the respective website (<span lang="EN-US"><a><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/coordination-group-2014-06-17-en</font></a>).
Headlines of the members’ list are “Community” and “Name of Representative”.
Following this table there are 13 “communities” represented. As a consequence
the number to reach quorum may vary but in any case 2 conditions have to be met.
I replaced the word “member” by “ICG representative” and hope this makes it
clearer.</span></font></div><div>
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<div>We should always talk about number ( s) I suggested at least 2/3 or 4/5 BUT
CERTAINLY NOT 1/2since it is totally in appropriate that for such a delicate
,sensitive issue 14 out of 30 disagree and still we take the decision is
valid.</div>
<div>Please look at all international law decision making process 2/3 is the
minimum</div>
</div><div><font style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">WUK: </font><font color="#0000ff">This is our
dilemma. We want to work and decide by consensus which would make voting
(including counting votes) obsolete. We introduced polls – but in rare cases
only. To be consistent we should avoid that polls become votings. And therefore
the main focus should be on qualitative argumentation rather than
quantitative.</font></div><div>
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<div>There are other examples that my points were not taken into account</div>
<div>Please kindly reconsider the matter and carefully examine them and
proceed</div>
</div><div><font style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">WUK: </font><font color="#0000ff">see my
email</font></div>
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<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div></div><div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-02 0:19 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>All,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">attached is
draft version v5 of the consensus building document which I’ve also uploaded
to the dropbox.</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">In
addition I send you the “ICG-Consensus Building_draft_v4 + MB (1),KA V3JHA”
with all latest revisions and comments from your side (I hope I’m right). I
have inserted my comments to yours as well as proposals on how to proceed.
ICG-Consensus Building_draft_v5 is the result of this exercise:</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">it
is explained that ICANN Board Liaison and <span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">ICANN Staff Laison Expert are not taking part in the
decision making</font></span></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“participants” replaced by
“members”</font></span></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">quorum for decision making is
defined as: A quorum is a majority of ICG members and must include at least
one member of each ICG community (</font><a><font color="#0000ff" face="Times New Roman">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/coordination-group-2014-06-17-en</font></a><font face="Times New Roman">; 16 or more). This would cover Martins respective
comment. If required something could be included in case of unintended
absence.</font></span></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">re 4.a Personnel Decisions: in the
second para. I suggest to lift the voting threshold to the level of the
quorum as defined. Otherwise a voting with 9 affirmative votes may succeed
which seems to be unbalanced.</font></span></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">“small minority”: should further be
discussed. I added the condition that a recommendation is not reached if at
least one of the ICG communities (according to the list) as a whole is
firmly and formally opposed. That would mean a formal written objection by
the community leadership on behalf of their community.</font></span></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">minority views – if any – should be
expressed in the report (maybe as an annex)</font></span></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">chair / (and/or) vicechairs: I think
the respective roles, proxies etc. should be added to the “chair
responsibility” document. Then here in the consensus building document
reference is only made to the chair.</font></span></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">Please
provide your comments with the “comment” function in order to make it easier
to manage.<br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div></li></li></li></li></li></li></li></ul></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Internal-cg
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