<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>Thanks to Martin making kind efforts to resolve some of the issues</div><div>My comments on quorum and decision making is merely related to the second category of Recommendations</div>
<div>Quote</div><div><strong><u><span style="line-height:115%;letter-spacing:-0.05pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">" Recommendation</font></span><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000"> </font></span></u></strong><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">-</font><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"><font color="#000000"> </font></span><font color="#000000">a</font><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"><font color="#000000"> </font></span><font color="#000000">position </font><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"><font color="#000000">where</font></span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt"><font color="#000000"> </font></span><span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"><font color="#000000">only</font></span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.25pt"><font color="#000000"> </font></span><font color="#000000">a minority</font><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"><font color="#000000"> </font></span><font color="#000000">disagrees and their objections have been documented, but at
least 2/3 of the members prewsnt physically or attending/participating remotely </font><span><font color="#000000"> </font></span><font color="#000000">most agree and no ICG community as a whole is
...( delete firmly since objection is objection and does not require firmness) </font></span></div><div><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">This voting should only and only be limited ,as the last ,and really last ,option/recourse, and on purely exceptional cases.</font></span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">Please kindly consider that simple majority is not properly responding to the delicate issue under the ICG purview and 2/3 majority ,in case of this type of recommendation, is the minimum acceptable threshold.</font></span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">In some parliamentary approach even 4/5 criteria is used.</font></span></div><div><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">We should consider that I purposely mention 2/3 of those ICG Members physically attending and those remotely participating in the process to take account of every boy .That seems covering the concerns of everybody whether physically attending or remotely participating in the decision making process</font></span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">Regards</font></span></div><div><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">Kavouss </font> </span></div>
<div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-04 10:51 GMT+02:00 Joe Alhadeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt">I've taken a shot at some comments on the draft...mostly in terms of phrasing...<div>
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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>In order to facilitate your tasks</div><div>I have included my earlier amendment in the doc. as labeled V5 rev ka 04 Sept as attached </div>
<div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-04 5:51 GMT+02:00 Joe Alhadeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
<div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt">I think there are perhaps two amendments I would suggest to Martin's comments.<br><br>1. Quorum as a concept should probably be more clearly applied only to voting/ultimate decision-making. In its normal usage it also applies to when a meeting can be held based on attendance of members.<br>
2. I agree that operational communities have a special role, but also believe that we need to consider all communities. Is there a way to keep the text as is and address Martin's concern in IV instead?<br><br>Joe<div>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:08:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building<br><br></div>Thank you Alissa: this reflects my concerns well. I note that we did this discussion entirely by e-mail, so I can understand how Wolf-Ulrich missed it.
I have a couple of other comments - all are in the marked-up draft attached and placed in drop-box.
Best
Martin
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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building
Wolf-Ulrich,
Thanks for your work on this.
On 9/2/14, 1:19 AM, "WUKnoben" <u></u> wrote:
>
>* “small minority”: should further be discussed. I added
> the condition that a recommendation is not reached if at least one of
>the ICG
> communities (according to the list) as a whole is firmly and formally
>opposed.
> That would mean a formal written objection by the community
>leadership on
> behalf of their community.
>
I’m not sure this matches what was being discussed on the list. If we use the text Martin had suggested, I think the third bullet under section 4(b) should read:
"After enough time has passed for the ICG to consider and attempt to accommodate objections, the ICG can reach a conclusion if at most a small minority disagrees and their objections have been documented. It is not expected that the representatives of an operational community significantly and directly affected by a conclusion would be overruled in this process.”
Alissa
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