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<DIV>Thanks Kavouss for the explanation.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">I think
here’s the main point to be discussed at our meeting in Istanbul. I’m still more
inclined to follow the consensus approach which would mean – at least for me as
a consequence, and I understand Martin’s comment similarly – <U>not</U> to
impose dedicated threshold figures but to qualitatively describe under what
conditions a recommendation can be reached. Consensus means that no-one at the
end is overruled. Neither 29 overrule 1 nor vice versa 1 blocks 29. Imposing a
voting scheme is at least for me not consistent with this principle.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">I’d also
like to follow some of Kavouss’ comments with Martin’s polite polishing (it
definitely “will” improve my English).</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">My comments
are inserted in the document attached.<BR><BR>Best
regards<BR><BR>Wolf-Ulrich<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">Kavouss Arasteh</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 04, 2014 1:31 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com
href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">Joe Alhadeff</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=internal-cg@icann.org
href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org">Coordination Group</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear All,</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks to Martin making kind efforts to resolve some of the issues</DIV>
<DIV>My comments on quorum and decision making is merely related to the second
category of Recommendations</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><U><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; LETTER-SPACING: -0.05pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%'><FONT
color=#000000>" Recommendation</FONT></SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%'><FONT
color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN></U></STRONG><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%'><FONT
color=#000000>-</FONT><SPAN style="LETTER-SPACING: -0.05pt"><FONT color=#000000>
</FONT></SPAN><FONT color=#000000>a</FONT><SPAN
style="LETTER-SPACING: -0.05pt"><FONT color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=#000000>position </FONT><SPAN style="LETTER-SPACING: -0.05pt"><FONT
color=#000000>where</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="LETTER-SPACING: -0.1pt"><FONT
color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="LETTER-SPACING: 0.05pt"><FONT
color=#000000>only</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="LETTER-SPACING: -0.25pt"><FONT
color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN><FONT color=#000000>a minority</FONT><SPAN
style="LETTER-SPACING: -0.15pt"><FONT color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=#000000>disagrees and their objections have been documented, but at least
2/3 of the members prewsnt physically or attending/participating remotely
</FONT><SPAN><FONT color=#000000> </FONT></SPAN><FONT color=#000000>most
agree and no ICG community as a whole is ...( delete firmly since objection is
objection and does not require firmness) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%'><FONT
color=#000000>This voting should only and only be limited ,as the last ,and
really last ,option/recourse, and on purely exceptional
cases.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%'><FONT
color=#000000>Please kindly consider that simple majority is not properly
responding to the delicate issue under the ICG purview and 2/3 majority ,in case
of this type of recommendation, is the minimum acceptable
threshold.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%'><FONT
color=#000000>In some parliamentary approach even 4/5 criteria is
used.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%'><FONT
color=#000000>We should consider that I purposely mention 2/3 of those ICG
Members physically attending and those remotely participating in the process to
take account of every boy .That seems covering the concerns of everybody whether
physically attending or remotely participating in the decision making
process</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%'><FONT
color=#000000>Regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%'><FONT
color=#000000>Kavouss </FONT> </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2014-09-04 10:51 GMT+02:00 Joe Alhadeff <SPAN
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target=_blank>joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</A>></SPAN>:<BR>
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taken a shot at some comments on the draft...mostly in terms of phrasing...
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<DIV class=h5><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"
target=_blank>joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</A>, <A href="mailto:jjs@dyalog.net"
target=_blank>jjs@dyalog.net</A><BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk"
target=_blank>Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</A>, <A
href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg@icann.org</A><BR>Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014
1:34:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re: [Internal-cg]
consensus building<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Dear All,</DIV>
<DIV>In order to facilitate your tasks</DIV>
<DIV>I have included my earlier amendment in the doc. as labeled V5 rev
ka 04 Sept as attached </DIV>
<DIV>Kavouss </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>2014-09-04 5:51 GMT+02:00 Joe Alhadeff <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"
target=_blank>joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</A>></SPAN>:<BR>
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think there are perhaps two amendments I would suggest to Martin's
comments.<BR><BR>1. Quorum as a concept should probably be more
clearly applied only to voting/ultimate decision-making. In its normal
usage it also applies to when a meeting can be held based on attendance of
members.<BR>2. I agree that operational communities have a special
role, but also believe that we need to consider all communities. Is
there a way to keep the text as is and address Martin's concern in IV
instead?<BR><BR>Joe
<DIV><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk"
target=_blank>Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target=_blank>alissa@cooperw.in</A>, <A
href="mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de"
target=_blank>Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de</A>, <A
href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg@icann.org</A><BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 3,
2014 5:08:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<BR>Subject: Re: [Internal-cg]
consensus building<BR><BR></DIV>Thank you Alissa: this reflects my concerns
well. I note that we did this discussion entirely by e-mail, so I can
understand how Wolf-Ulrich missed it. I have a couple of other comments -
all are in the marked-up draft attached and placed in drop-box. Best Martin
-----Original Message----- From: <A
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org"
target=_blank>internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</A>] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper
Sent: 03 September 2014 11:29 To: Wolf-Ulrich Knoben; <A
href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target=_blank>internal-cg@icann.org</A>
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] consensus building Wolf-Ulrich, Thanks for your
work on this. On 9/2/14, 1:19 AM, "WUKnoben" <U></U>wrote: > >* “small
minority”: should further be discussed. I added > the condition that a
recommendation is not reached if at least one of >the ICG >
communities (according to the list) as a whole is firmly and formally
>opposed. > That would mean a formal written objection by the
community >leadership on > behalf of their community. > I’m not
sure this matches what was being discussed on the list. If we use the text
Martin had suggested, I think the third bullet under section 4(b) should
read: "After enough time has passed for the ICG to consider and attempt to
accommodate objections, the ICG can reach a conclusion if at most a small
minority disagrees and their objections have been documented. It is not
expected that the representatives of an operational community significantly
and directly affected by a conclusion would be overruled in this process.”
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