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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I seem to have sent my summary of the discussion before reading the whole thread ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Was on my return trip with occasional connectivity ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Will go through the whole thread and attachments and get back to the list ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>joseph alhadeff<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 11:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> internal-cg@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Kavouss, colleagues:<br><br>Thanks for your work on this. <br><br>I have attached a draft with a few edits:<br><br>Where quorum was removed, I added a paragraph about what happens if someone is not in the meeting when decisions are made. We discussed a mail procedure during the meeting.<br><br>In the draft related to consensus mechanisms and recommendations, I tried to break out the final recommendation decisions as a separate section. I'm trying to make it easier to follow for those who have not been part of the discussions. I also think its important to have a chair's report that specifies the status quo of the impasse and what has been done to try to resolve it.<br><br>Hope these help. <br><br>Moving on to second leg of the return trip-<br><br>Joe<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 9/7/2014 1:32 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Mary <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for your message<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I sent you what was generally agreed at the meeting of 11.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do not see any reason why I should do differently.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It was agreed that <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1. We no longer refer to quorum<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2. No longer about the criteria to be used for decision making in terms of 1/2.2/3 or ...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3. We concentrate that the objective is consensus building for every thing<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>4. in rare cases of disagreement, chair with the assistance of vice chairs make every and utmost possible effort to find solution<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>5. If all efforts to do so are exhausted, we make all possible efforts to explore all possible ways and means to reach agreement take the case by case approach in a case by case approach <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>6. at the end one possible, among others, is mentioned to resolve a case given .i.e. the resolution of disagreement was left an open issue to be treated case by case according to the nature of the problem .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>7 All pending amendments which were placed in square bracket are thus to be deleted and the text is editorially amended ( replacing " personnel " by administrative and so on and restructured as mentioned above <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That is all <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kavouss <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2014-09-07 2:21 GMT+02:00 Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Jari , Arasteh and All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Kindly make it easier for us to follow the trend of discussions with correct documents. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old version of the document. It is a bit confusing.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I think we have progressed positively with the G11's version and formulations, please let us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any part of the proposal to NTIA is with each of the communities. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>In addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor edits and remove some redundant words and paragraphs like:<br><br><br>1. Purpose:<br>" Laison " should read 'Liaison' in the second paragraph.<br><br>2. Individual/Group Behavior and Norms:<br> Last paragraph 1st sentence should read : <br> <br></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Public<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> comments</span> <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>received</span> <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>as</span> a <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>result</span> of<span style='letter-spacing:.05pt'> </span>any <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>forum</span> held by the ICG in relation to it<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>s activities</span> should be<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> duly</span><span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>considered</span><span style='letter-spacing:.1pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>and</span> <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>carefully</span><span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>analyzed.</span> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>3. Last para in 4b after the bullet points should read <br>''Following these basic principles, the<span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>chair</span> will be<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> </span>responsible<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> for </span></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CD232C;letter-spacing:-.05pt'>designating</span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";letter-spacing:-.15pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>each ICG position <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>as</span></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CD232C'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";letter-spacing:-.1pt'> </span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>one<span style='letter-spacing:.05pt'> </span>of<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> </span>the <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>following;'</span></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#9D1811'> <br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>4. 4b under Recommendation<br>......cannot be reach-.... should read ....cannot be reached.......<br>The two paragraphs after the last bullet point are no longer necessary, they should be deleted. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Safe trip everyone.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#888888'><br><br><span class=hoenzb>Mary Uduma</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:09 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>OOOOsh!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Sleeping and typing, hit the wrong botton.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Please ignore my last unfinished mail.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:07 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Jari , Arasteh and All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Kindly make it easier for us to follow. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old version.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I think we have progressed positively with the G11's version, please let us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any part of the proposal to NTIA is with each communities. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>In addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor edits and remove some redundant words like:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>On Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:21 PM, Jari Arkko <<a href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>And in the after-the-meeting discussion I promised to send a link to the IETF document that describes the rough consensus process. Here:<br><br><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a><br><br>(for the purposes of the ICG decision process, the important bit is how we deal with differing opinions, not the humming. so read it in that light.)<br><br>Jari <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>_______________________________________________<br>Internal-cg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Internal-cg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>