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Kavouss, colleagues:<br>
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Thanks for your work on this. <br>
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I have attached a draft with a few edits:<br>
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Where quorum was removed, I added a paragraph about what happens if
someone is not in the meeting when decisions are made. We discussed
a mail procedure during the meeting.<br>
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In the draft related to consensus mechanisms and recommendations, I
tried to break out the final recommendation decisions as a separate
section. I'm trying to make it easier to follow for those who have
not been part of the discussions. I also think its important to
have a chair's report that specifies the status quo of the impasse
and what has been done to try to resolve it.<br>
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Hope these help. <br>
<br>
Moving on to second leg of the return trip-<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
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<div>Dear Mary </div>
<div>Thank you for your message</div>
<div>I sent you what was generally agreed at the meeting of 11.</div>
<div>I do not see any reason why I should do differently.</div>
<div>It was agreed that </div>
<div>1. We no longer refer to quorum</div>
<div>2. No longer about the criteria to be used for decision
making in terms of 1/2.2/3 or ...</div>
<div>3. We concentrate that the objective is consensus building
for every thing</div>
<div>4. in rare cases of disagreement, chair with the assistance
of vice chairs make every and utmost possible effort to find
solution</div>
<div>5. If all efforts to do so are exhausted, we make all
possible efforts to explore all possible ways and means to
reach agreement take the case by case approach in a case by
case approach </div>
<div>6. at the end one possible, among others, is mentioned to
resolve a case given .i.e. the resolution of disagreement was
left an open issue to be treated case by case according to the
nature of the problem .</div>
<div>7 All pending amendments which were placed in square
bracket are thus to be deleted and the text is editorially
amended ( replacing " personnel " by administrative and so
on and restructured as mentioned above </div>
<div>That is all </div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-07 2:21 GMT+02:00 Mary Uduma <span
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make it easier for us to follow the trend of
discussions with correct documents. I was
about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11)
and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in
with the old version of the document. It is a
bit confusing.<br>
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think we have progressed positively with the
G11's version and formulations, please let us
not go back to the old version, reason being
that ICG members are errand boys of the
communities. The power to object regarding
any part of the proposal to NTIA is with each
of the communities. </span></div>
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addition, the version looks balanced, what is
left will be to do the minor edits and remove
some redundant words and paragraphs like:<br
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1. Purpose:<br>
" Laison " should read 'Liaison' in the second
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2. Individual/Group Behavior and Norms:<br>
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<span><span><span
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style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> comments</span>
<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">received</span>
<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span>
a <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">result</span>
of<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">
</span>any <span
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held by the ICG in relation to it<span
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activities</span> <span
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should be<span
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<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">carefully</span><span
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<span style="line-height:115%;font-size:12pt">3.
Last para in 4b after the bullet points should
read <br>
''Following
these basic principles, the<span
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will be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>responsible<span
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ICG position <span
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style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt"> </span>one<span
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">4. 4b under
Recommendation<br>
......cannot be reach-.... should read
....cannot be reached.......<br>
The two paragraphs after the last bullet
point are no longer necessary, they should
be deleted. </span></span></span><br>
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<font size="3">Safe trip everyone.</font><span
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Mary Uduma</font></span>
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<div><span>Jari
, Arasteh and
All,</span></div>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13.33px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><span>Kindly
make it easier
for us to
follow. I was
about to
congratulate
the Group of
11 (G11) and
all ICG
members when
Alice's mail
came in with
the old
version.</span></div>
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think we have
progressed
positively
with the
G11's
version,
please let us
not go back to
the old
version,
reason being
that ICG
members are
errand boys of
the
communities.
The power to
object
regarding any
part of the
proposal to
NTIA is with
each
communities. </span></div>
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addition, the
version looks
balanced, what
is left will
be to do the
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and remove
some redundant
words like:<br
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September 6,
2014 11:21 PM,
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