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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear All ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As one of those who have attended the ‘consensus building’ discussion during the coffee break after the meeting, allow me to clarify that more than 10 ICG members joined the discussion and almost everyone agreed that:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Utmost efforts should be exerted to reach consensus ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not reaching consensus would weaken the proposal submitted to the NTIA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A situation where one person can block the whole process should be avoided<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Minority views, no matter how few, should be evaluated qualitatively (based on the merit of the objections) not quantitatively (based on the number of objections) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Consensus here refers to decisions related to the handling and assembling of submitted proposals not decisions related to approval/disapproval of content of the proposals (which if needed may then be referred back to the relevant communities) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ICG members who were present agreed in principle on the proposal suggested by Mr Arasteh, which basically:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Stresses the need for reaching consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Delete the controversial minority/quorum part of the text from this part<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Defer decision on how to handle the unlikely situation of not being able to reach a consensus way forward, to be decided upon on a case by case basis<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>List examples of alternative means that ICG may choose to follow .. this includes the text on minority as well as the IETF document, circulated by Jari, that describes the rough consensus process, particularly how to deal with different opinions<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So apologies to those who were not in the room and did not have the chance to attend ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope this summary, subject to corrections or additions by other present colleagues, provides the necessary background to put us all on the same page ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks to Mr Arasteh for the suggested text and to all ICG members who were present for the constructive exchange ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Uduma<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jari Arkko; Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Cc:</b> ICG<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id=yiv1090502004><div><div><div id="yiv1090502004yui_3_16_0_15_1410036198311_4"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1090502004yui_3_16_0_1_1410036198311_76497"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Jari , Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1090502004yui_3_16_0_1_1410036198311_76501"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1090502004yui_3_16_0_1_1410036198311_76504"><p class=MsoNormal><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Kindly make it easier for us to follow the trend of discussions with correct documents. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old version of the document. It is a bit confusing.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1090502004yui_3_16_0_1_1410036198311_76512"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1090502004yui_3_16_0_1_1410036198311_76515"><p class=MsoNormal><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I think we have progressed positively with the G11's version and formulations, please let us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any part of the proposal to NTIA is with each of the communities. </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1090502004yui_3_16_0_1_1410036198311_76518"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yiv1090502004yui_3_16_0_1_1410036198311_76521"><p class=MsoNormal><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>In addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor edits and remove some redundant words and paragraphs like:</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><br><span class=yiv1090502004>1. Purpose:</span><br><span class=yiv1090502004>" Laison " should read 'Liaison' in the second paragraph.</span><br><br><span class=yiv1090502004>2. Individual/Group Behavior and Norms:</span><br><span class=yiv1090502004> Last paragraph 1st sentence should read : </span><br><span class=yiv1090502004> </span><br></span><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Public<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> comments</span> <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>received</span> <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>as</span> a <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>result</span> of<span style='letter-spacing:.05pt'> </span>any <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>forum</span> held by the ICG in relation to it<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>s activities</span> should be<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> duly</span><span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>considered</span><span style='letter-spacing:.1pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>and</span> <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>carefully</span><span style='letter-spacing:-.15pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>analyzed.</span> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black;letter-spacing:-.15pt'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>3. Last para in 4b after the bullet points should read </span></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br><span class=yiv1090502004>''Following these basic principles, the<span style='letter-spacing:-.1pt'> </span><span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>chair</span> will be<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> </span>responsible<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> for </span></span></span><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CD232C;letter-spacing:-.05pt'>designating</span></span><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black;letter-spacing:-.15pt'> </span></span><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>each ICG position <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>as</span></span></span><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CD232C'> </span></span><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black;letter-spacing:-.1pt'> </span></span><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>one<span style='letter-spacing:.05pt'> </span>of<span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'> </span>the <span style='letter-spacing:-.05pt'>following;'</span></span></span><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#9D1811'> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#9D1811'><br><br></span><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>4. 4b under Recommendation</span></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br><span class=yiv1090502004>......cannot be reach-.... should read ....cannot be reached.......</span><br><span class=yiv1090502004>The two paragraphs after the last bullet point are no longer necessary, they should be deleted. </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Safe trip everyone.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br>Mary Uduma<br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv1090502004yqt63690><div id="yiv1090502004yui_3_16_0_15_1410036198311_7"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:09 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div id=yiv1090502004><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>OOOOsh!!!!</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Sleeping and typing, hit the wrong botton.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Please ignore my last unfinished mail.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Mary</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv1090502004yqt41888><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:07 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div id=yiv1090502004><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Jari , Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Kindly make it easier for us to follow. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old version.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I think we have progressed positively with the G11's version, please let us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any part of the proposal to NTIA is with each communities. </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=yiv1090502004><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>In addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor edits and remove some redundant words like:</span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div id=yiv1090502004yqtfd97238><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:21 PM, Jari Arkko <<a href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>And in the after-the-meeting discussion I promised to send a link to the IETF document that describes the rough consensus process. Here:<br><br><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a><br><br>(for the purposes of the ICG decision process, the important bit is how we deal with differing opinions, not the humming. so read it in that light.)<br><br>Jari<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1090502004yqtfd15560><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv1090502004yqtfd20437><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Internal-cg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>