<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>I have considered and to a great extent taken into account all of your comments</div><div>I therefore created a clean version called V1 after 08 Sept.</div><div>Please consider this clean version and</div><div>1 make any editorial /language improvement</div><div>2 make minimum changes as we may not finish if we start again to redraft.</div><div>There is a requirement that first and foremost every body feel comfortable then at least every body equally uncomfortable .</div><div>Kavouss </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-08 15:51 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>And thanks to Manal for this very good summary!</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 1:29 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mnuduma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Mary
Uduma</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss
Arasteh</a> </div><div><div class="h5">
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">ICG</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Dear
All ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">As
one of those who have attended the ‘consensus building’ discussion during the
coffee break after the meeting, allow me to clarify that more than 10 ICG
members joined the discussion and almost everyone agreed
that:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Utmost
efforts should be exerted to reach consensus ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Not
reaching consensus would weaken the proposal submitted to the
NTIA<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">A
situation where one person can block the whole process should be
avoided<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Minority
views, no matter how few, should be evaluated qualitatively (based on the merit
of the objections) not quantitatively (based on the number of objections)
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Consensus
here refers to decisions related to the handling and assembling of submitted
proposals not decisions related to approval/disapproval of content of the
proposals (which if needed may then be referred back to the relevant
communities) <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">ICG
members who were present agreed in principle on the proposal suggested by Mr
Arasteh, which basically:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Stresses
the need for reaching consensus<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Delete
the controversial minority/quorum part of the text from this
part<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Defer
decision on how to handle the unlikely situation of not being able to reach a
consensus way forward, to be decided upon on a case by case
basis<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">List
examples of alternative means that ICG may choose to follow .. this includes the
text on minority as well as the IETF document, circulated by Jari, that
describes the rough consensus process, particularly how to deal with different
opinions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">So
apologies to those who were not in the room and did not have the chance to
attend ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hope
this summary, subject to corrections or additions by other present colleagues,
provides the necessary background to put us all on the same page
..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thanks
to Mr Arasteh for the suggested text and to all ICG members who were present for
the constructive exchange ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind
Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">
<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mary Uduma<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:21
AM<br><b>To:</b> Jari Arkko; Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Cc:</b>
ICG<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Jari
, Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Kindly
make it easier for us to follow the trend of discussions with correct documents.
I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when
Alice's mail came in with the old version of the document. It is a bit
confusing.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I
think we have progressed positively with the G11's version and formulations,
please let us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are
errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any part of
the proposal to NTIA is with each of the communities. </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">In
addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor edits
and remove some redundant words and paragraphs like:</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><br><span>1. Purpose:</span><br><span>" Laison "
should read 'Liaison' in the second paragraph.</span><br><br><span>2. Individual/Group Behavior and
Norms:</span><br><span>Last paragraph 1st sentence should
read : </span><br><span> </span><br></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Public<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> comments</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">received</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span> a <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">result</span> of<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>any <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">forum</span> held by the ICG in relation to
it<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">s activities</span> should be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> duly</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">considered</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">and</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">carefully</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">analyzed.</span> </span></span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">3. Last para in
4b after the bullet points should read </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><span>''Following these basic principles, the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">chair</span> will be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>responsible<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> for </span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(205,35,44);letter-spacing:-0.05pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">designating</span></span><span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">each ICG position
<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(205,35,44);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></span><span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">one<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">
</span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">following;'</span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(157,24,17);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(157,24,17);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><br></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">4. 4b under
Recommendation</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><span>......cannot be reach-.... should read ....cannot be
reached.......</span><br><span>The two paragraphs
after the last bullet point are no longer necessary, they should be
deleted. </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><br></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Safe trip
everyone.</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br>Mary
Uduma<br><br><br><br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:09 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">OOOOsh!!!!</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Sleeping
and typing, hit the wrong botton.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Please
ignore my last unfinished mail.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Mary</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On
Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:07 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Jari
, Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Kindly
make it easier for us to follow. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11
(G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old
version.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I
think we have progressed positively with the G11's version, please let us
not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are errand boys of
the communities. The power to object regarding any part of the proposal to
NTIA is with each communities. </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">In
addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor edits
and remove some redundant words like:</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On
Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:21 PM, Jari Arkko <<a href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>>
wrote:</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">And in the after-the-meeting
discussion I promised to send a link to the IETF document that describes the
rough consensus process. Here:<br><br><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a><br><br>(for the purposes of
the ICG decision process, the important bit is how we deal with differing
opinions, not the humming. so read it in that
light.)<br><br>Jari<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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