<div dir="ltr"><div><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Dear All,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt"> Allow me to share some thoughts with you </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">First of all,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">It is surprising and astonishing that I was mistakenly and wrongly and
unfairly quoted that to be against consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That is an unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation and/or
interpretation of what I have said or what I am thinking </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I am and have been and I will always be in favour of consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That is a tradition and past and present and future practice.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt"> I was also mistakenly and wrongly and unfairly quoted to opt
for voting </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That is also another unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation
and/or interpretation of what I have said or what I am thinking </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">These are pure allegation and hostile positions</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Everybody who knows me is aware that I am always looking to find a
compromise for any problem</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I therefore categorically and strongly reject such an interpretation
wrongly made by media and by those who wish to give a wrong image of me.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Now coming to the second round of consensus building process initiated
by me on 06 September after formal ICG meeting in G11 and now circulating
within the entire ICG</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The issue is not who is right and who is not right.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The issue is we have to negotiate and come to agreement or consensus.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Please therefore kindly not refer that X IS RIGHT or Y IS NOT RIGHT</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Some of you insisting that their views be accepted by others .That is
not consensus building .That is dominating other’s views .</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Negotiation implies that we give something if we wish to get some thing</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">We cannot expect that we get everything without giving up some thing</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The case by case approach that I propose is a workable approach since we
still do not know which are <span> </span>the subjects
that we may agree or disagree .In one case we could have option x of arriving
at consensus and in other case may be option Y to do so.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Let us avoid establishing rules upfront before dealing with an issue.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">ICG does not merely deal with technical issues such as those being dealt
with by some operational communities as other operational communities have had
different mechanism to achieve consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Consequently,:</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">1. be ready to be negotiable, and tolerable </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">2. agree to the case by case concept</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">3. agree to limit the inclusion of one possible example as already
included and not give another example rather take approach of some of you
proposing that chair and vice chairs shall make their utmost efforts to explore
way and means in finding appropriate mechanism to achieve consensus or to reach
consensus ,on a case by case</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">4. agree not to refer to quorum</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">5.agree not to refer to simple minority</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">6.agree not to refer to rough or soft consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">7.agree to refer to the possibility of absentees ICG members to make
comments <span> </span>when other ICG considering an
issue for decision making </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">8.agree that chair ,in consultation with vice chair opt for some sort of
temperature measuring process to find out the sense and9or direction or
trend of the ICG mood in discussing issues</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">9.agree that if the essence of your view points is taken not insisting
for the full text that you have proposed.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">10. maintain and practice the spirit of collaboration and cooperation
and be ready to negotiate and join consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">TKS</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">KAVOUSS </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt"> </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-09 19:56 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Dear Wolf</div><div>Dear Joe</div><div>Dear all,</div><div>Please be fair with me.</div><div>I have taken the essence and thrust of Joe, s proposal relating to absentees of members at ICG meeting in two circumstances as he described and I took his proposal relating yo exploring all other possible options than the one I put in the draft</div><span><div>Kavouss <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 9 Sep 2014, at 17:17, "WUKnoben" <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<br><br></div></span><div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Joe,</div>
<div> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">you’re
right. I’ve seen some of your edits taken by Kavouss in a condensed form but not
all of them.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">Certainly
you should be given the opportunity to comment on this revision again.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br></div>
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<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph alhadeff</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:16 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">Wolf:<br><br>I
had added some language on decisions where parties are not present in the
comments I had made to the last round as a reflection of our conversation and
replacement of the concept of quorum.<br><br>Joe<br>
<div>On 9/9/2014 5:20 AM, WUKnoben wrote:<br></div>
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<div>Dear Heather,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">I
attach</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">- the
version presented at the Istanbul meeting</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">- the
version amended by Kavouss based on the discussion after the meeting</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">- my
amendments/comments to this</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">I hope it
helps understanding our status of discussion.<br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div> </div>
<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca" href="mailto:Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca" target="_blank">Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 08, 2014 9:53 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a> ; <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="Internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline"><font style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thank
you Wolf-Ulrich. Unfortunately, I missed the discussion group that met after
the ICG meetings concluded so I appreciate having a copy of the latest version
of the consensus document and the chance to compare and consider its contents
before finalizing the document on the Sep. 17
call.<br><br>Heather<br></font><br> <br>
<div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><font style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>:
WUKnoben [<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>]
<br><b>Sent</b>: Monday, September 08, 2014 09:41 PM<br><b>To</b>: Kavouss
Arasteh <a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>
<br><b>Cc</b>: Coordination Group <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org</a>
<br><b>Subject</b>: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
<br></font> <br></div>
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<div>All,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>let me first say that the discussion in the after-meeting-session (“G11”)
was helpful for better understanding as well as moving ahead towards an
agreement about the consensus building process. Thanks again to Manal to sum
up the essential points made. And thanks to Kavouss as the G11
coordinator.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>As it deemed to be necessary and for
fairness reasons I’ve made a comparison between the document version which has
been on the table when we cut the discussion last Saturday and the last one
Kavouss has edited.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Please find the result attached. As we
agreed to Patriks proposal to use a significant part of the next call on 17
Sep to (finally) discuss the process it should be diligently prepared.</div>
<div><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br></div>
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<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss
Arasteh</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 08, 2014 4:42 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">WUKnoben</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> ; <a title="mnuduma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Mary Uduma</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="Internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Coordination
Group</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>I have considered and to a great extent taken into account all of your
comments</div>
<div>I therefore created a clean version called V1 after 08 Sept.</div>
<div>Please consider this clean version and</div>
<div>1 make any editorial /language improvement</div>
<div>2 make minimum changes as we may not finish if we start again to
redraft.</div>
<div>There is a requirement that first and foremost every body feel
comfortable then at least every body equally uncomfortable .</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div> </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-08 15:51 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>And thanks to Manal for this very good summary!</div>
<div> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 1:29 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mnuduma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Mary Uduma</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div>
<div>
<div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">ICG</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Dear
All ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">As
one of those who have attended the ‘consensus building’ discussion during
the coffee break after the meeting, allow me to clarify that more than 10
ICG members joined the discussion and almost everyone agreed
that:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Utmost
efforts should be exerted to reach consensus ..</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Not
reaching consensus would weaken the proposal submitted to the
NTIA</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">A
situation where one person can block the whole process should be
avoided</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Minority
views, no matter how few, should be evaluated qualitatively (based on the
merit of the objections) not quantitatively (based on the number of
objections) </span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Consensus
here refers to decisions related to the handling and assembling of submitted
proposals not decisions related to approval/disapproval of content of the
proposals (which if needed may then be referred back to the relevant
communities) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">ICG
members who were present agreed in principle on the proposal suggested by Mr
Arasteh, which basically:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Stresses
the need for reaching consensus</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Delete
the controversial minority/quorum part of the text from this part</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Defer
decision on how to handle the unlikely situation of not being able to reach
a consensus way forward, to be decided upon on a case by case
basis</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">List
examples of alternative means that ICG may choose to follow .. this includes
the text on minority as well as the IETF document, circulated by Jari, that
describes the rough consensus process, particularly how to deal with
different opinions</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">So
apologies to those who were not in the room and did not have the chance to
attend ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hope
this summary, subject to corrections or additions by other present
colleagues, provides the necessary background to put us all on the same page
..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thanks
to Mr Arasteh for the suggested text and to all ICG members who were present
for the constructive exchange ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind
Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal
</span></p>
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<div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mary Uduma<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:21
AM<br><b>To:</b> Jari Arkko; Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Cc:</b>
ICG<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Jari
, Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Kindly
make it easier for us to follow the trend of discussions with correct
documents. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG
members when Alice's mail came in with the old version of the document. It
is a bit confusing.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I
think we have progressed positively with the G11's version and formulations,
please let us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members
are errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any
part of the proposal to NTIA is with each of the communities.
</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">In
addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor
edits and remove some redundant words and paragraphs
like:</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><br><span>1.
Purpose:</span><br><span>" Laison " should read 'Liaison' in the second
paragraph.</span><br><br><span>2. Individual/Group Behavior and
Norms:</span><br><span>Last paragraph 1st sentence should read :
</span><br><span> </span><br></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Public<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> comments</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">received</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span> a <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">result</span> of<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>any <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">forum</span> held by the ICG in relation to
it<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">s activities</span> should be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> duly</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">considered</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">and</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">carefully</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">analyzed.</span> </span></span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br></span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">3. Last para
in 4b after the bullet points should read </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><span>''Following
these basic principles, the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt">
</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">chair</span> will be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>responsible<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> for </span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(205,35,44);letter-spacing:-0.05pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">designating</span></span><span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">each ICG position
<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(205,35,44);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></span><span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">one<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">following;'</span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(157,24,17);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span style="color:rgb(157,24,17);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><br></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">4. 4b under
Recommendation</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><span>......cannot
be reach-.... should read ....cannot be
reached.......</span><br><span>The two paragraphs after the last
bullet point are no longer necessary, they should be deleted.
</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><br></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Safe trip
everyone.</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br>Mary
Uduma<br><br><br><br><br></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On
Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:09 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><span></span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span></span> </p>
<div>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">OOOOsh!!!!</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Sleeping
and typing, hit the wrong botton.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Please
ignore my last unfinished mail.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Mary</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On
Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:07 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><span></span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span></span> </p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Jari
, Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Kindly
make it easier for us to follow. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11
(G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old
version.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I
think we have progressed positively with the G11's version, please let
us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are errand
boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any part of the
proposal to NTIA is with each communities. </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">In
addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor
edits and remove some redundant words like:</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On
Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:21 PM, Jari Arkko <<a href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>> wrote:</span><span></span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span></span> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span>And
in the after-the-meeting discussion I promised to send a link to the IETF
document that describes the rough consensus process. Here:<br><br><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a><br><br>(for
the purposes of the ICG decision process, the important bit is how we deal
with differing opinions, not the humming. so read it in that
light.)<br><br>Jari</span></p>
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