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</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri"><br></font></span></p><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Dear Wolf, Joseph ,Jari,Manal,other members of G11</font></span></p><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Dear
All ICG Members ,</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">I wish
to refer to the draft that I sent to you on 08 September, taking into account
views from Joseph and other relating to absentee’s comments emphasizing that chair and vice chairs should identify other possible mechanism apart
from the one mentioned in that draft</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">May I
request you to kindly provide your comments in form of revision marks in the
text and supporting arguments, if you so wish in the covering message.,</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">We need
to finalize this text as soon as possible</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Once
gain reference to Quorum and reference to Quantitative Majority or Minority
have been deleted and the focus is made on consensus building with the utmost
efforts</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">If not
we should continue negotiations with a view to arrive at consensus.</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">However,
if all efforts were /are exhausted, chair and vice chairs together with any other interested
party/ties should explore all possible ways and means to identify an appropriate mechanism
for a satisfactory resolution of the matter toward consensus .</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">One
example and just one example to consider an sissue approved by consensus is provided .Other examples could equally be valid,
according to the case under consideration,</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">( case by case concept)</font></span></p><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Waiting
for your kind reply, I remain.</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Regards </font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-09 23:07 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Wolf</div><div>I do my best but in any case I am not pushing for any thing</div><div>I expect good will and spirit of collaboartion from every one of us.</div><div>The 10 points is the results of the discussion we are facing with.</div><div>Evey one pushes for its own.</div><div>I am not pushing for any thing but I am not COMFORTABLE with those who wish that their ideas get into the draft word by word and coma by coma</div><div>You said quote</div><div>*We are all coming up with opinions and arguments which we expect to be taken into consideration"</div><div>Unqoute</div><div>YES we need to take all view into consideration but we may not able to take all them into account since some of the views expressed conflict with other views</div><div>Then we need to negotiate and negotiation has two sides giving and getting.</div><div>I did not refer to any ICG commentimng on my views but I read the media quoting some thing from me which I never said that .</div><div>Please carefully read my text which referred to MEDIA AND NOT ICG. Perhaps I was not clear on that.</div><div>Now you are kindly requested to submit your views on the initial darft with revision marks knowing that we all need to be collaborative and mindful.</div><div>Regards</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Kavouss .</div><div> </div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-09 22:56 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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<div>Dear Kavouss,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">your
perception of our discussion process simply does not meet it’s intention nor
does it meet it’s performance. I have not seen any ICG member quoting you in the
way you’re describing or accusing you due to any argumentation. We are all
coming up with opinions and arguments which we expect to be taken into
consideration.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">The only
real issue I have problems with is not the content of your arguments but the way
you try to push them through. It looks like imperative postulations as the 10
bullets in your attached email show. Those postulations do not admit
counter-arguments and are not helpful for the discussion.</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">Myself and
others spend a lot of time to enter upon your specific submissions and
questions. I simply expect from you the same.<br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 8:52 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">WUKnoben</a> ; <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph
alhadeff</a> ; <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Coordination Group</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ;
<a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> </div><div><div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div></div></div>
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<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Dear
All,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Allow
me to share some thoughts with you </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">First
of all,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">It
is surprising and astonishing that I was mistakenly and wrongly and unfairly
quoted that to be against consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That
is an unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation and/or interpretation of what I have
said or what I am thinking </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I
am and have been and I will always be in favour of consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That
is a tradition and past and present and future practice.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I
was also mistakenly and wrongly and unfairly quoted to opt for voting
</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That
is also another unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation and/or
interpretation of what I have said or what I am thinking </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">These
are pure allegation and hostile positions</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Everybody
who knows me is aware that I am always looking to find a compromise for any
problem</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I
therefore categorically and strongly reject such an interpretation wrongly made
by media and by those who wish to give a wrong image of me.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Now
coming to the second round of consensus building process initiated by me on 06
September after formal ICG meeting in G11 and now circulating within the entire
ICG</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The
issue is not who is right and who is not right.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The
issue is we have to negotiate and come to agreement or
consensus.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Please
therefore kindly not refer that X IS RIGHT or Y IS NOT RIGHT</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Some
of you insisting that their views be accepted by others .That is not consensus
building .That is dominating other’s views .</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Negotiation
implies that we give something if we wish to get some thing</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">We
cannot expect that we get everything without giving up some
thing</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The
case by case approach that I propose is a workable approach since we still do
not know which are <span> </span>the subjects that we may agree or disagree
.In one case we could have option x of arriving at consensus and in other case
may be option Y to do so.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Let
us avoid establishing rules upfront before dealing with an
issue.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">ICG
does not merely deal with technical issues such as those being dealt with by
some operational communities as other operational communities have had different
mechanism to achieve consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Consequently,:</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">1.
be ready to be negotiable, and tolerable </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">2.
agree to the case by case concept</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">3.
agree to limit the inclusion of one possible example as already included and not
give another example rather take approach of some of you proposing that chair
and vice chairs shall make their utmost efforts to explore way and means in
finding appropriate mechanism to achieve consensus or to reach consensus ,on a
case by case</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">4.
agree not to refer to quorum</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">5.agree
not to refer to simple minority</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">6.agree
not to refer to rough or soft consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">7.agree
to refer to the possibility of absentees ICG members to make comments
<span> </span>when other ICG considering an issue for decision making
</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">8.agree
that chair ,in consultation with vice chair opt for some sort of temperature
measuring process to find out the sense and9or direction or trend of the
ICG mood in discussing issues</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">9.agree
that if the essence of your view points is taken not insisting for the full text
that you have proposed.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">10.
maintain and practice the spirit of collaboration and cooperation and be ready
to negotiate and join consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">TKS</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">KAVOUSS
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<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt"></span> </p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-09 19:56 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Dear Wolf</div>
<div>Dear Joe</div>
<div>Dear all,</div>
<div>Please be fair with me.</div>
<div>I have taken the essence and thrust of Joe, s proposal relating to
absentees of members at ICG meeting in two circumstances as he described and I
took his proposal relating yo exploring all other possible options than the
one I put in the draft</div><span>
<div>Kavouss <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On 9 Sep 2014, at 17:17, "WUKnoben" <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div></span>
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<div>Joe,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">you’re
right. I’ve seen some of your edits taken by Kavouss in a condensed form but
not all of them.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">Certainly
you should be given the opportunity to comment on this revision again.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph alhadeff</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:16 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">Wolf:<br><br>I
had added some language on decisions where parties are not present in the
comments I had made to the last round as a reflection of our conversation
and replacement of the concept of quorum.<br><br>Joe<br>
<div>On 9/9/2014 5:20 AM, WUKnoben wrote:<br></div>
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<div>Dear Heather,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">I
attach</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">-
the version presented at the Istanbul meeting</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">-
the version amended by Kavouss based on the discussion after the
meeting</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">-
my amendments/comments to this</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">I
hope it helps understanding our status of discussion.<br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div> </div>
<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca" href="mailto:Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca" target="_blank">Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 08, 2014 9:53 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a> ; <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="Internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline"><font style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thank
you Wolf-Ulrich. Unfortunately, I missed the discussion group that met
after the ICG meetings concluded so I appreciate having a copy of the
latest version of the consensus document and the chance to compare and
consider its contents before finalizing the document on the Sep. 17
call.<br><br>Heather<br></font><br> <br>
<div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><font style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>:
WUKnoben [<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>] <br><b>Sent</b>:
Monday, September 08, 2014 09:41 PM<br><b>To</b>: Kavouss Arasteh <a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a> <br><b>Cc</b>:
Coordination Group <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org</a> <br><b>Subject</b>: Re:
[Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion <br></font> <br></div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">
<div>All,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>let me first say that the discussion in the after-meeting-session
(“G11”) was helpful for better understanding as well as moving ahead
towards an agreement about the consensus building process. Thanks again to
Manal to sum up the essential points made. And thanks to Kavouss as the
G11 coordinator.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>As it deemed to be necessary and for fairness reasons I’ve made a
comparison between the document version which has been on the table when
we cut the discussion last Saturday and the last one Kavouss has
edited.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Please find the result attached. As we agreed to Patriks proposal to
use a significant part of the next call on 17 Sep to (finally) discuss the
process it should be diligently prepared.</div>
<div><br>Best regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br></div>
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<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss Arasteh</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 08, 2014 4:42 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">WUKnoben</a>
</div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> ; <a title="mnuduma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Mary Uduma</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="Internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Coordination Group</a>
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>I have considered and to a great extent taken into account all of
your comments</div>
<div>I therefore created a clean version called V1 after 08 Sept.</div>
<div>Please consider this clean version and</div>
<div>1 make any editorial /language improvement</div>
<div>2 make minimum changes as we may not finish if we start again to
redraft.</div>
<div>There is a requirement that first and foremost every body feel
comfortable then at least every body equally uncomfortable .</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div> </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-08 15:51 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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<div>And thanks to Manal for this very good summary!</div>
<div> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 1:29 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mnuduma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Mary Uduma</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss
Arasteh</a> </div>
<div>
<div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">ICG</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Dear
All ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">As
one of those who have attended the ‘consensus building’ discussion
during the coffee break after the meeting, allow me to clarify that more
than 10 ICG members joined the discussion and almost everyone agreed
that:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Utmost
efforts should be exerted to reach consensus ..</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Not
reaching consensus would weaken the proposal submitted to the
NTIA</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">A
situation where one person can block the whole process should be
avoided</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Minority
views, no matter how few, should be evaluated qualitatively (based on
the merit of the objections) not quantitatively (based on the number of
objections) </span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Consensus
here refers to decisions related to the handling and assembling of
submitted proposals not decisions related to approval/disapproval of
content of the proposals (which if needed may then be referred back to
the relevant communities) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">ICG
members who were present agreed in principle on the proposal suggested
by Mr Arasteh, which basically:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Stresses
the need for reaching consensus</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Delete
the controversial minority/quorum part of the text from this
part</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Defer
decision on how to handle the unlikely situation of not being able to
reach a consensus way forward, to be decided upon on a case by case
basis</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">List
examples of alternative means that ICG may choose to follow .. this
includes the text on minority as well as the IETF document, circulated
by Jari, that describes the rough consensus process, particularly how to
deal with different opinions</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">So
apologies to those who were not in the room and did not have the chance
to attend ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hope
this summary, subject to corrections or additions by other present
colleagues, provides the necessary background to put us all on the same
page ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thanks
to Mr Arasteh for the suggested text and to all ICG members who were
present for the constructive exchange ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind
Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mary Uduma<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:21
AM<br><b>To:</b> Jari Arkko; Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Cc:</b>
ICG<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Jari
, Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Kindly
make it easier for us to follow the trend of discussions with correct
documents. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG
members when Alice's mail came in with the old version of the document.
It is a bit confusing.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I
think we have progressed positively with the G11's version and
formulations, please let us not go back to the old version, reason being
that ICG members are errand boys of the communities. The power to object
regarding any part of the proposal to NTIA is with each of the
communities. </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">In
addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the
minor edits and remove some redundant words and paragraphs
like:</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><br><span>1.
Purpose:</span><br><span>" Laison " should read 'Liaison' in the second
paragraph.</span><br><br><span>2. Individual/Group Behavior and
Norms:</span><br><span>Last paragraph 1st sentence should read :
</span><br><span> </span><br></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Public<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> comments</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">received</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span> a <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">result</span> of<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>any <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">forum</span> held by the ICG in relation
to it<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">s activities</span> should
be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> duly</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">considered</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">and</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">carefully</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">analyzed.</span>
</span></span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br></span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">3. Last
para in 4b after the bullet points should read </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><span>''Following
these basic principles, the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt">
</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">chair</span> will be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>responsible<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> for </span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(205,35,44);letter-spacing:-0.05pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">designating</span></span><span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">each ICG
position <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(205,35,44);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></span><span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">one<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">following;'</span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(157,24,17);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span style="color:rgb(157,24,17);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><br></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">4. 4b under
Recommendation</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><span>......cannot
be reach-.... should read ....cannot be
reached.......</span><br><span>The two paragraphs after the last
bullet point are no longer necessary, they should be deleted.
</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><br></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Safe trip
everyone.</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br>Mary
Uduma<br><br><br><br><br></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On
Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:09 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><span></span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-bottom:12pt"><span></span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">OOOOsh!!!!</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Sleeping
and typing, hit the wrong botton.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Please
ignore my last unfinished mail.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Mary</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On
Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:07 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><span></span></p></div>
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, Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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make it easier for us to follow. I was about to congratulate the Group
of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old
version.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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think we have progressed positively with the G11's version, please
let us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are
errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any
part of the proposal to NTIA is with each communities.
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addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the
minor edits and remove some redundant words like:</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:21 PM, Jari Arkko <<a href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span>And in the
after-the-meeting discussion I promised to send a link to the IETF
document that describes the rough consensus process. Here:<br><br><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a><br><br>(for the
purposes of the ICG decision process, the important bit is how we deal
with differing opinions, not the humming. so read it in that
light.)<br><br>Jari</span></p>
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