<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Wolf</div><div>May I now produce a clean document and send it to others for final comments notably of purely editorial and grammatical nature?</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-11 8:34 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Thanks Kavouss, accepted.</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">As you can
see attached I suggest to shift the text marked under “Recommendation” to the
part where the evaluation method is described. Or at least separate it from the
bullet points here.<br><br>Best regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:37 AM</div><div><div class="h5">
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">WUKnoben</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph alhadeff</a> ; <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Coordination
Group</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div></div></div>
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<div>Dear Wolf, </div>
<div>Thank you for your kind and prompt reply</div>
<div>I have made following amendments to your draft as follows:</div>
<div>Para. 4 a,second sub-para. second part of that sub-para ," is " is
replaced by " should be " </div>
<div>Para. 4 b ,first bullet below sencond sub-para,</div>
<div>The part saying " Consensus here refers to" is replced by" The
above-mentioned " due to the fact that the paragraph to which this bullet
referred does not deal with " Consensus" rather it referred to " Decicion"
.</div>
<div>In the same bullet the phrase" if needed may then be referred back to the
relevant communities" is replaced by" which would be handled on a case by case
basis " This was the overall agreemnt that G11 reached after the ICG meeting in
Istanbul .</div>
<div>Last page , in iii,</div>
<div>As a matter of fact, I am not comfortable in using any adjective like
"serious" or " firm" or "major" to describe opposition . However, to be more
cooperative I could reluctantly agree to use the adjective " justified" as such
opposition needs to be submitted with necessary justifications .In that case the
adjective " serious" is replaced by" justified " .</div>
<div>Moreover, in reviewing the text, I found some structural and content
mistakes in para. c) ,second bullet which I have corrected </div>
<div>Finally Under the same section c) in bullet 3 ,I suggest we replace"
example " by " option" to be consistent with the terms used in bullet 2 above
.However, I leave it to you to agree with that change</div>
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<div>I hope you and others agree with these small edits </div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-10 21:53 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Dear all,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">attached
please find my remaining amendments with the following explanations regarding
some of them:</div>
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<li>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">4.a.
last paragraph: I’ve inserted “<a><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">The selection is done by a majority
vote.</font></span></a>”</div>
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<div language="JavaScript"><span><a></a></span>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:12pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE" style="line-height:9pt"><span>Rationale: The para talks about “...run a
vote...”. The succeeding voting threshold must be
clear.</span></span></span></p></div></div></div>
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<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:12pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE" style="line-height:9pt"><span>4.b. first paragraph: grammatical
edits</span></span></span></p></div></div></div>
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<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:12pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE" style="line-height:9pt"><span>4.b. insertion of an additional bullet point
re principles (Manal) which I
support</span></span></span></p></div></div></div>
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<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:12pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE" style="line-height:9pt"><span>4.c.iii. re-insertion of
“serious”</span></span></span></p></div></div></div></li></li></li></li></ul>
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<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:12pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE" style="line-height:9pt"><span>
Rationale: <span lang="FR-BE">Opportunity should not be given for <u>all</u>
kinds of objection since the issue should have been discussed extensively in
advance to the designation. The remaining objection should then be
characterized as « serious ».</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:12pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE" style="line-height:9pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE">I would in particular be
interested in the chair’s/VCs’ opinion regarding the case by case approach
since they may want to facilitate the
process.</span></span></span></span><br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></p></div></div></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss Arasteh</a>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:14 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">WUKnoben</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph alhadeff</a> ;
<a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Coordination Group</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal
Ismail</a> </div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div></div>
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<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri"><br></font></span></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Dear Wolf, Joseph ,Jari,Manal,other members of
G11</font></span></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Dear All ICG Members ,</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">I
wish to refer to the draft that I sent to you on 08 September, taking
into account views from Joseph and other relating to absentee’s comments
emphasizing that chair and vice chairs should identify other possible
mechanism apart from the one mentioned in that
draft</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">May I request you to kindly provide your comments in form of
revision marks in the text and supporting arguments, if you so wish in the
covering message.,</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">We
need to finalize this text as soon as possible</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Once gain reference to Quorum and reference to Quantitative
Majority or Minority have been deleted and the focus is made on consensus
building with the utmost efforts</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">If
not we should continue negotiations with a view to arrive at
consensus.</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">However, if all efforts were /are exhausted, chair and vice
chairs together with any other interested party/ties should
explore all possible ways and means to identify an appropriate mechanism for a
satisfactory resolution of the matter toward consensus
.</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">One example and just one example to consider an
sissue approved by consensus is provided .Other examples could equally be
valid, according to the case under consideration,</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">(
case by case concept)</font></span></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Waiting for your kind reply, I remain.</font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Regards </font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-09 23:07 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Dear Wolf</div>
<div>I do my best but in any case I am not pushing for any thing</div>
<div>I expect good will and spirit of collaboartion from every one of
us.</div>
<div>The 10 points is the results of the discussion we are facing
with.</div>
<div>Evey one pushes for its own.</div>
<div>I am not pushing for any thing but I am not COMFORTABLE with those who
wish that their ideas get into the draft word by word and coma by coma</div>
<div>You said quote</div>
<div>*We are all coming up with opinions and arguments which we expect to be
taken into consideration"</div>
<div>Unqoute</div>
<div>YES we need to take all view into consideration but we may not able to
take all them into account since some of the views expressed conflict with
other views</div>
<div>Then we need to negotiate and negotiation has two sides giving and
getting.</div>
<div>I did not refer to any ICG commentimng on my views but I read the media
quoting some thing from me which I never said that .</div>
<div>Please carefully read my text which referred to MEDIA AND NOT ICG.
Perhaps I was not clear on that.</div>
<div>Now you are kindly requested to submit your views on the initial darft
with revision marks knowing that we all need to be collaborative and
mindful.</div>
<div>Regards</div><span><font color="#888888">
<div>Kavouss .</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-09 22:56 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Dear Kavouss,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">your
perception of our discussion process simply does not meet it’s intention
nor does it meet it’s performance. I have not seen any ICG member quoting
you in the way you’re describing or accusing you due to any argumentation.
We are all coming up with opinions and arguments which we expect to be
taken into consideration.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">The
only real issue I have problems with is not the content of your arguments
but the way you try to push them through. It looks like imperative
postulations as the 10 bullets in your attached email show. Those
postulations do not admit counter-arguments and are not helpful for the
discussion.</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">Myself
and others spend a lot of time to enter upon your specific submissions and
questions. I simply expect from you the same.<br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss Arasteh</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 8:52 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">WUKnoben</a> ;
<a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph alhadeff</a>
; <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Coordination Group</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal
Ismail</a> </div>
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<div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div></div></div>
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<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Dear
All,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Allow
me to share some thoughts with you </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">First
of all,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">It
is surprising and astonishing that I was mistakenly and wrongly and
unfairly quoted that to be against consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That
is an unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation and/or interpretation of what
I have said or what I am thinking </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I
am and have been and I will always be in favour of
consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That
is a tradition and past and present and future practice.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I
was also mistakenly and wrongly and unfairly quoted to opt for
voting </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That
is also another unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation and/or
interpretation of what I have said or what I am thinking </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">These
are pure allegation and hostile positions</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Everybody
who knows me is aware that I am always looking to find a compromise for
any problem</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I
therefore categorically and strongly reject such an interpretation wrongly
made by media and by those who wish to give a wrong image of
me.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Now
coming to the second round of consensus building process initiated by me
on 06 September after formal ICG meeting in G11 and now circulating within
the entire ICG</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The
issue is not who is right and who is not right.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The
issue is we have to negotiate and come to agreement or
consensus.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Please
therefore kindly not refer that X IS RIGHT or Y IS NOT
RIGHT</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Some
of you insisting that their views be accepted by others .That is not
consensus building .That is dominating other’s views .</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Negotiation
implies that we give something if we wish to get some
thing</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">We
cannot expect that we get everything without giving up some
thing</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The
case by case approach that I propose is a workable approach since we still
do not know which are <span> </span>the subjects that we may agree or
disagree .In one case we could have option x of arriving at consensus and
in other case may be option Y to do so.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Let
us avoid establishing rules upfront before dealing with an
issue.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">ICG
does not merely deal with technical issues such as those being dealt with
by some operational communities as other operational communities have had
different mechanism to achieve consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Consequently,:</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">1.
be ready to be negotiable, and tolerable </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">2.
agree to the case by case concept</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">3.
agree to limit the inclusion of one possible example as already included
and not give another example rather take approach of some of you proposing
that chair and vice chairs shall make their utmost efforts to explore way
and means in finding appropriate mechanism to achieve consensus or to
reach consensus ,on a case by case</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">4.
agree not to refer to quorum</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">5.agree
not to refer to simple minority</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">6.agree
not to refer to rough or soft consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">7.agree
to refer to the possibility of absentees ICG members to make comments
<span> </span>when other ICG considering an issue for decision making
</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">8.agree
that chair ,in consultation with vice chair opt for some sort of
temperature measuring process to find out the sense and9or direction
or trend of the ICG mood in discussing issues</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">9.agree
that if the essence of your view points is taken not insisting for the
full text that you have proposed.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">10.
maintain and practice the spirit of collaboration and cooperation and be
ready to negotiate and join consensus</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">TKS</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">KAVOUSS
</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt"></span> </p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-09 19:56 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
<div>
<div>Dear Wolf</div>
<div>Dear Joe</div>
<div>Dear all,</div>
<div>Please be fair with me.</div>
<div>I have taken the essence and thrust of Joe, s proposal relating to
absentees of members at ICG meeting in two circumstances as he described
and I took his proposal relating yo exploring all other possible options
than the one I put in the draft</div><span>
<div>Kavouss <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On 9 Sep 2014, at 17:17, "WUKnoben" <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div></span>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">
<div>Joe,</div>
<div> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">you’re
right. I’ve seen some of your edits taken by Kavouss in a condensed
form but not all of them.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">Certainly
you should be given the opportunity to comment on this revision
again.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">
<div style="font:10pt/normal tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
<div> </div>
<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph
alhadeff</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:16 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">Wolf:<br><br>I
had added some language on decisions where parties are not present in
the comments I had made to the last round as a reflection of our
conversation and replacement of the concept of quorum.<br><br>Joe<br>
<div>On 9/9/2014 5:20 AM, WUKnoben wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">
<div>Dear Heather,</div>
<div> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">I
attach</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">-
the version presented at the Istanbul meeting</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">-
the version amended by Kavouss based on the discussion after the
meeting</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">-
my amendments/comments to this</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">I
hope it helps understanding our status of discussion.<br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">
<div style="font:10pt/normal tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
<div> </div>
<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca" href="mailto:Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca" target="_blank">Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 08, 2014 9:53 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a> ; <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="Internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline"><font style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thank
you Wolf-Ulrich. Unfortunately, I missed the discussion group that
met after the ICG meetings concluded so I appreciate having a copy
of the latest version of the consensus document and the chance to
compare and consider its contents before finalizing the document on
the Sep. 17 call.<br><br>Heather<br></font><br> <br>
<div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><font style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>:
WUKnoben [<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>]
<br><b>Sent</b>: Monday, September 08, 2014 09:41 PM<br><b>To</b>:
Kavouss Arasteh <a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a> <br><b>Cc</b>:
Coordination Group <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org</a> <br><b>Subject</b>:
Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
<br></font> <br></div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">
<div>All,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>let me first say that the discussion in the
after-meeting-session (“G11”) was helpful for better understanding
as well as moving ahead towards an agreement about the consensus
building process. Thanks again to Manal to sum up the essential
points made. And thanks to Kavouss as the G11 coordinator.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>As it deemed to be necessary and for fairness reasons I’ve made
a comparison between the document version which has been on the
table when we cut the discussion last Saturday and the last one
Kavouss has edited.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Please find the result attached. As we agreed to Patriks
proposal to use a significant part of the next call on 17 Sep to
(finally) discuss the process it should be diligently
prepared.</div>
<div><br>Best regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">
<div style="font:10pt/normal tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
<div> </div>
<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss
Arasteh</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 08, 2014 4:42 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">WUKnoben</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> ; <a title="mnuduma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Mary Uduma</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="Internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Coordination Group</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>I have considered and to a great extent taken into account all
of your comments</div>
<div>I therefore created a clean version called V1 after 08
Sept.</div>
<div>Please consider this clean version and</div>
<div>1 make any editorial /language improvement</div>
<div>2 make minimum changes as we may not finish if we start again
to redraft.</div>
<div>There is a requirement that first and foremost every body feel
comfortable then at least every body equally uncomfortable .</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div> </div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-08 15:51 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
<div lang="EN-US" dir="ltr" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">
<div>And thanks to Manal for this very good summary!</div>
<div> </div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><br><br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">
<div style="font:10pt/normal tahoma;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
<div> </div>
<div style="background:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a>
</div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 1:29 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mnuduma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Mary Uduma</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss
Arasteh</a> </div>
<div>
<div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">ICG</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</div></div></div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Dear
All ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">As
one of those who have attended the ‘consensus building’ discussion
during the coffee break after the meeting, allow me to clarify
that more than 10 ICG members joined the discussion and almost
everyone agreed that:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Utmost
efforts should be exerted to reach consensus ..</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Not
reaching consensus would weaken the proposal submitted to the
NTIA</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">A
situation where one person can block the whole process should be
avoided</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Minority
views, no matter how few, should be evaluated qualitatively (based
on the merit of the objections) not quantitatively (based on the
number of objections) </span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Consensus
here refers to decisions related to the handling and assembling of
submitted proposals not decisions related to approval/disapproval
of content of the proposals (which if needed may then be referred
back to the relevant communities) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">ICG
members who were present agreed in principle on the proposal
suggested by Mr Arasteh, which basically:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Stresses
the need for reaching consensus</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Delete
the controversial minority/quorum part of the text from this
part</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Defer
decision on how to handle the unlikely situation of not being able
to reach a consensus way forward, to be decided upon on a case by
case basis</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">List
examples of alternative means that ICG may choose to follow ..
this includes the text on minority as well as the IETF document,
circulated by Jari, that describes the rough consensus process,
particularly how to deal with different opinions</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">So
apologies to those who were not in the room and did not have the
chance to attend ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hope
this summary, subject to corrections or additions by other present
colleagues, provides the necessary background to put us all on the
same page ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thanks
to Mr Arasteh for the suggested text and to all ICG members who
were present for the constructive exchange ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind
Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mary Uduma<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:21
AM<br><b>To:</b> Jari Arkko; Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Cc:</b>
ICG<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion</span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Jari
, Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Kindly
make it easier for us to follow the trend of discussions with
correct documents. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11
(G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old
version of the document. It is a bit confusing.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I
think we have progressed positively with the G11's version and
formulations, please let us not go back to the old version, reason
being that ICG members are errand boys of the communities. The
power to object regarding any part of the proposal to NTIA
is with each of the communities. </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">In
addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do
the minor edits and remove some redundant words and paragraphs
like:</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><br><span>1.
Purpose:</span><br><span>" Laison " should read 'Liaison' in the
second paragraph.</span><br><br><span>2. Individual/Group
Behavior and Norms:</span><br><span>Last paragraph 1st sentence
should read : </span><br><span>
</span><br></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Public<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> comments</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">received</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span> a <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">result</span> of<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>any <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">forum</span> held by the ICG in
relation to it<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">s
activities</span> should be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">
duly</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">considered</span><span style="letter-spacing:0.1pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">and</span> <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">carefully</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.15pt"> </span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">analyzed.</span>
</span></span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br></span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">3.
Last para in 4b after the bullet points should read
</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><span>''Following
these basic principles, the<span style="letter-spacing:-0.1pt">
</span><span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">chair</span> will
be<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>responsible<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> for
</span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(205,35,44);letter-spacing:-0.05pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">designating</span></span><span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">each ICG
position <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">as</span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(205,35,44);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></span><span><span style="color:black;letter-spacing:-0.1pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">one<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt"> </span>of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">following;'</span></span></span><span><span style="color:rgb(157,24,17);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">
</span></span><span style="color:rgb(157,24,17);font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><br></span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">4. 4b
under Recommendation</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><span>......cannot
be reach-.... should read ....cannot be
reached.......</span><br><span>The two paragraphs after the
last bullet point are no longer necessary, they should be
deleted. </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br><br></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Safe
trip everyone.</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br><br>Mary
Uduma<br><br><br><br><br></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On
Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:09 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><span></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">OOOOsh!!!!</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Sleeping
and typing, hit the wrong botton.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Please
ignore my last unfinished mail.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Mary</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:07 AM, Mary Uduma <<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span><span></span></p></div>
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, Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Kindly
make it easier for us to follow. I was about to congratulate the
Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in
with the old version.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I
think we have progressed positively with the G11's version,
please let us not go back to the old version, reason being that
ICG members are errand boys of the communities. The power to
object regarding any part of the proposal to NTIA is with
each communities. </span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">In
addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do
the minor edits and remove some redundant words
like:</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">On
Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:21 PM, Jari Arkko <<a href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>>
wrote:</span><span></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span>And in the
after-the-meeting discussion I promised to send a link to the IETF
document that describes the rough consensus process.
Here:<br><br><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a><br><br>(for
the purposes of the ICG decision process, the important bit is how
we deal with differing opinions, not the humming. so read it in
that light.)<br><br>Jari</span></p>
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