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Alissa:<br>
<br>
The reference to other frameworks was to things like the IETF
consensus process, but there was a concern of naming any specific
one out of concern for having to name too many. I tried to clarify
the language in edits...<br>
<br>
I have no objection to the language related to operational
communities, but we cannot ignore the non operational communities
and this language makes it seem like they are not relevant to
consensus.<br>
<br>
edits attached.<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/11/2014 11:39 AM, Alissa Cooper
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote cite="mid:D037371F.575D7%25alissa@cooperw.in"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Thanks everyone for the work that has been put into this. My comments and
suggestions are attached. Couple of process points:
* My understanding is that we intend as a group to finalize this document
on our to-be-scheduled conference call on September 17.
* Wolf-Ulrich, it would be great if in the next iteration we could go back
to using the document naming convention established by Patrik.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/125evhui9x1thv6/Naming%20strategies%20of%20documents%20of%20ICG.docx?dl=0"><https://www.dropbox.com/s/125evhui9x1thv6/Naming%20strategies%20of%20docum
ents%20of%20ICG.docx?dl=0></a>
Couple of substantive points that are also highlighted in the attached:
* In Section 3, I believe members who will be absent from a call should
provide their views in advance, if they wish, to the full ICG, not just
the chair/vice-chairs.
* In Section 4(b), I do not understand what “any other mechanisms of
consensus” means.
* In Section 4(c), the second sentence of the Recommendation bullet seemed
to require either running a consensus process twice, or it just repeated
what was in the first sentence. I don’t think we want to run the same
processes twice, so I deleted that sentence.
* In Section 4(c), I have reverted the language in the Recommendation
example to the suggestion by Martin about directly affected communities
being overruled. I think this very important edit was lost in the
discussion last week.
* In Section 4(c), I don’t understand what this means: "Chair and vice
chairs are advised to consider other possible consensus frameworks in
addressing the issues, as appropriate to the nature of the case.” What are
other possible consensus frameworks?
Thanks,
Alissa
On 9/11/14, 6:46 AM, "Kavouss Arasteh" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Dear Martin,
Thanks for comments
May I then request you and others to comment on the clean Draft taking
last comments from Wolf, previous comments from Joe,Jari ,Manal and some
edits from me.
See what I sent few mints ago
.I wait till tomorrow Friday 12 Sept.
On early Sunday I leave Geneva to attend CEPT meeting for PP-14 Thus it
is preferable to make final draft before Sunday 13.09
Regards
Kavouss
2014-09-11 12:39 GMT+02:00 Martin Boyle <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk"><Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk></a>:
No, I still have comments on this document. I hope to post in the next 24
hours.
Sent from my iPhone
On 11 Sep 2014, at 11:28, "Kavouss Arasteh" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>
wrote:
Dear Wolf
I found another area which could be grammatically and structurally be
improved
It should be noted that a document is considered as a stable draft for
approval, provided
that the draft is available at least 7 calendar days before the date
on which the approval process is scheduled
.
[Aneffort shouldbemadeto document the
variance in viewpoint]
This part is deleted since does not say any thing at all..I kept the
remaining but replaced
justified minority views deviating from the recommendation can be
separately expressed and documented in the report .
Based on that.,may I produced a clean text
Kavouss
2014-09-11 11:24 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>:
Dear Wolf
May I now produce a clean document and send it to others for final
comments notably of purely editorial and grammatical nature?
Kavouss
2014-09-11 8:34 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"><wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de></a>:
Thanks Kavouss, accepted.
As you can see attached I suggest to shift the text marked under
“Recommendation” to the part where the evaluation method is described. Or
at least separate it from the bullet points here.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From:
Kavouss Arasteh <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:37 AM
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joseph alhadeff <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"><mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com></a> ;
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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
Dear Wolf,
Thank you for your kind and prompt reply
I have made following amendments to your draft as follows:
Para. 4 a,second sub-para. second part of that sub-para ," is " is
replaced by " should be "
Para. 4 b ,first bullet below sencond sub-para,
The part saying " Consensus here refers to" is replced by" The
above-mentioned " due to the fact that the paragraph to which this
bullet referred does not deal with " Consensus" rather it referred to "
Decicion" .
In the same bullet the phrase" if needed may then be referred back to the
relevant communities" is replaced by" which would be handled on a case by
case basis " This was the overall agreemnt that G11 reached after the ICG
meeting in Istanbul .
Last page , in iii,
As a matter of fact, I am not comfortable in using any adjective like
"serious" or " firm" or "major" to describe opposition . However, to be
more cooperative I could reluctantly agree to use the adjective "
justified" as such opposition needs to be submitted
with necessary justifications .In that case the adjective " serious" is
replaced by" justified " .
Moreover, in reviewing the text, I found some structural and content
mistakes in para. c) ,second bullet which I have corrected
Finally Under the same section c) in bullet 3 ,I suggest we replace"
example " by " option" to be consistent with the terms used in bullet 2
above .However, I leave it to you to agree with that change
I hope you and others agree with these small edits
Kavouss
2014-09-10 21:53 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"><wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de></a>:
Dear all,
attached please find my remaining amendments with the following
explanations regarding some of them:
* 4.a. last paragraph: I’ve inserted “The selection is done by a majority
vote.”
Rationale: The para talks about “...run a vote...”. The succeeding voting
threshold must be clear.
* 4.b. first paragraph: grammatical edits
* 4.b. insertion of an additional bullet point re principles (Manal)
which I support
* 4.c.iii. re-insertion of “serious”
Rationale:
Opportunity should not be given for all kinds of objection since the
issue should have been discussed extensively in advance to the
designation. The remaining objection should then be characterized as «
serious ».
I would in particular be interested in the chair’s/VCs’ opinion regarding
the case by case approach since they may want to facilitate the
process.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From:
Kavouss Arasteh <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:14 PM
To:
WUKnoben <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"><mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de></a>
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joseph alhadeff <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"><mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com></a> ;
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Manal Ismail <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg"><mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg></a>
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
Dear Wolf, Joseph ,Jari,Manal,other members of G11
Dear All ICG Members ,
I wish to refer to the draft that I sent to you on 08 September, taking
into account views from Joseph and other relating to absentee’s comments
emphasizing that chair and
vice chairs should identify other possible mechanism apart from the one
mentioned in that draft
May I request you to kindly provide your comments in form of revision
marks in the text and supporting arguments, if you so wish in the
covering message.,
We need to finalize this text as soon as possible
Once gain reference to Quorum and reference to Quantitative Majority or
Minority have been deleted and the focus is made on consensus building
with the utmost efforts
If not we should continue negotiations with a view to arrive at consensus.
However, if all efforts were /are exhausted, chair and vice chairs
together with any other interested party/ties should explore all
possible ways and means to identify an appropriate
mechanism for a satisfactory resolution of the matter toward consensus .
One example and just one example to consider an sissue approved by
consensus is provided .Other examples could equally be valid, according
to the case under consideration,
( case by case concept)
Waiting for your kind reply, I remain.
Regards
2014-09-09 23:07 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>:
Dear Wolf
I do my best but in any case I am not pushing for any thing
I expect good will and spirit of collaboartion from every one of us.
The 10 points is the results of the discussion we are facing with.
Evey one pushes for its own.
I am not pushing for any thing but I am not COMFORTABLE with those who
wish that their ideas get into the draft word by word and coma by coma
You said quote
*We are all coming up with opinions and arguments which we expect to be
taken into consideration"
Unqoute
YES we need to take all view into consideration but we may not able to
take all them into account since some of the views expressed conflict
with other views
Then we need to negotiate and negotiation has two sides giving and
getting.
I did not refer to any ICG commentimng on my views but I read the media
quoting some thing from me which I never said that .
Please carefully read my text which referred to MEDIA AND NOT ICG.
Perhaps I was not clear on that.
Now you are kindly requested to submit your views on the initial darft
with revision marks knowing that we all need to be collaborative and
mindful.
Regards
Kavouss .
2014-09-09 22:56 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"><wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de></a>:
Dear Kavouss,
your perception of our discussion process simply does not meet it’s
intention nor does it meet it’s performance. I have not seen any ICG
member quoting you in the way you’re describing or accusing
you due to any argumentation. We are all coming up with opinions and
arguments which we expect to be taken into consideration.
The only real issue I have problems with is not the content of your
arguments but the way you try to push them through. It looks like
imperative postulations as the 10 bullets in your attached
email show. Those postulations do not admit counter-arguments and are
not helpful for the discussion.
Myself and others spend a lot of time to enter upon your specific
submissions and questions. I simply expect from you the same.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From:
Kavouss Arasteh <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 8:52 PM
To:
WUKnoben <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"><mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de></a> ;
joseph alhadeff <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"><mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com></a> ;
Coordination Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org"><mailto:internal-cg@icann.org></a> ;
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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
Dear All,
Allow me to share some thoughts with you
First of all,
It is surprising and astonishing that I was mistakenly and wrongly and
unfairly quoted that to be against consensus
That is an unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation and/or interpretation of
what I have said or what I am thinking
I am and have been and I will always be in favour of consensus
That is a tradition and past and present and future practice.
I was also mistakenly and wrongly and unfairly quoted to opt for voting
That is also another unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation and/or
interpretation of what I have said or what I am thinking
These are pure allegation and hostile positions
Everybody who knows me is aware that I am always looking to find a
compromise for any problem
I therefore categorically and strongly reject such an interpretation
wrongly made by media and by those who wish to give a wrong image of me.
Now coming to the second round of consensus building process initiated by
me on 06 September after formal ICG meeting in G11 and now circulating
within the entire
ICG
The issue is not who is right and who is not right.
The issue is we have to negotiate and come to agreement or consensus.
Please therefore kindly not refer that X IS RIGHT or Y IS NOT RIGHT
Some of you insisting that their views be accepted by others .That is not
consensus building .That is dominating other’s views .
Negotiation implies that we give something if we wish to get some thing
We cannot expect that we get everything without giving up some thing
The case by case approach that I propose is a workable approach since we
still do not know which are
the subjects that we may agree or disagree .In one case we could have
option x of arriving at consensus and in other case may be option Y to do
so.
Let us avoid establishing rules upfront before dealing with an issue.
ICG does not merely deal with technical issues such as those being dealt
with by some operational communities as other operational communities
have had different
mechanism to achieve consensus
Consequently,:
1. be ready to be negotiable, and tolerable
2. agree to the case by case concept
3. agree to limit the inclusion of one possible example as already
included and not give another example rather take approach of some of you
proposing that chair
and vice chairs shall make their utmost efforts to explore way and means
in finding appropriate mechanism to achieve consensus or to reach
consensus ,on a case by case
4. agree not to refer to quorum
5.agree not to refer to simple minority
6.agree not to refer to rough or soft consensus
7.agree to refer to the possibility of absentees ICG members to make
comments
when other ICG considering an issue for decision making
8.agree that chair ,in consultation with vice chair opt for some sort of
temperature measuring process to find out the sense and9or direction or
trend of the ICG
mood in discussing issues
9.agree that if the essence of your view points is taken not insisting
for the full text that you have proposed.
10. maintain and practice the spirit of collaboration and cooperation and
be ready to negotiate and join consensus
TKS
KAVOUSS
2014-09-09 19:56 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>:
Dear Wolf
Dear Joe
Dear all,
Please be fair with me.
I have taken the essence and thrust of Joe, s proposal relating to
absentees of members at ICG meeting in two circumstances as he described
and I took his proposal relating yo exploring all other possible options
than the one I put in the draft
Kavouss
Sent from my iPhone
On 9 Sep 2014, at 17:17, "WUKnoben" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"><wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de></a>
wrote:
Joe,
you’re right. I’ve seen some of your edits taken by Kavouss in a
condensed form but not all of them.
Certainly you should be given the opportunity to comment on this revision
again.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From:
joseph alhadeff <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"><mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com></a>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:16 PM
To:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org">internal-cg@icann.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org"><mailto:internal-cg@icann.org></a>
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
Wolf:
I had added some language on decisions where parties are not present in
the comments I had made to the last round as a reflection of our
conversation and replacement of the concept of quorum.
Joe
On 9/9/2014 5:20 AM, WUKnoben wrote:
Dear Heather,
I attach
- the version presented at the Istanbul meeting
- the version amended by Kavouss based on the discussion after the meeting
- my amendments/comments to this
I hope it helps understanding our status of discussion.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca">Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca"><mailto:Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca></a>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:53 PM
To:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"><mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de></a> ;
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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
Thank you Wolf-Ulrich. Unfortunately, I missed the discussion group that
met after the ICG meetings concluded so I appreciate having a copy of the
latest version of the consensus
document and the chance to compare and consider its contents before
finalizing the document on the Sep. 17 call.
Heather
From: WUKnoben [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 09:41 PM
To: Kavouss Arasteh
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>
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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
All,
let me first say that the discussion in the after-meeting-session (“G11”)
was helpful for better understanding as well as moving ahead towards an
agreement about the consensus building process. Thanks again to Manal to
sum up the essential points made.
And thanks to Kavouss as the G11 coordinator.
As it deemed to be necessary and for fairness reasons I’ve made a
comparison between the document version which has been on the table when
we cut the discussion last Saturday and the last one Kavouss has edited.
Please find the result attached. As we agreed to Patriks proposal to use
a significant part of the next call on 17 Sep to (finally) discuss the
process it should be diligently prepared.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From:
Kavouss Arasteh <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 4:42 PM
To:
WUKnoben <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"><mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de></a>
Cc:
Manal Ismail <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg"><mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg></a> ;
Mary Uduma <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com"><mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com></a> ;
Jari Arkko <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net"><mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net></a> ;
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Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
Dear All,
I have considered and to a great extent taken into account all of your
comments
I therefore created a clean version called V1 after 08 Sept.
Please consider this clean version and
1 make any editorial /language improvement
2 make minimum changes as we may not finish if we start again to redraft.
There is a requirement that first and foremost every body feel
comfortable then at least every body equally uncomfortable .
Kavouss
2014-09-08 15:51 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"><wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de></a>:
And thanks to Manal for this very good summary!
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
From:
Manal Ismail <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg"><mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg></a>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 1:29 PM
To:
Mary Uduma <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com"><mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com></a> ;
Jari Arkko <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net"><mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net></a> ;
Kavouss Arasteh <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"><mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com></a>
Cc:
ICG <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org"><mailto:internal-cg@icann.org></a>
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
Dear All ..
As one of those who have attended the ‘consensus building’ discussion
during the coffee break after the meeting, allow me to clarify that more
than 10
ICG members joined the discussion and almost everyone agreed that:
-
Utmost efforts should be exerted to reach consensus ..
-
Not reaching consensus would weaken the proposal submitted to the NTIA
-
A situation where one person can block the whole process should be avoided
-
Minority views, no matter how few, should be evaluated qualitatively
(based on the merit of the objections) not quantitatively (based
on the number of objections)
-
Consensus here refers to decisions related to the handling and assembling
of submitted proposals not decisions related to approval/disapproval
of content of the proposals (which if needed may then be referred back
to the relevant communities)
ICG members who were present agreed in principle on the proposal
suggested by Mr Arasteh, which basically:
-
Stresses the need for reaching consensus
-
Delete the controversial minority/quorum part of the text from this part
-
Defer decision on how to handle the unlikely situation of not being able
to reach a consensus way forward, to be decided upon on
a case by case basis
-
List examples of alternative means that ICG may choose to follow .. this
includes the text on minority as well as the IETF document,
circulated by Jari, that describes the rough consensus process,
particularly how to deal with different opinions
So apologies to those who were not in the room and did not have the
chance to attend ..
Hope this summary, subject to corrections or additions by other present
colleagues, provides the necessary background to put us all on the same
page ..
Thanks to Mr Arasteh for the suggested text and to all ICG members who
were present for the constructive exchange ..
Kind Regards
--Manal
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On Behalf Of Mary Uduma
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:21 AM
To: Jari Arkko; Kavouss Arasteh
Cc: ICG
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
Jari , Arasteh and All,
Kindly make it easier for us to follow the trend of discussions with
correct documents. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and
all ICG members
when Alice's mail came in with the old version of the document. It is a
bit confusing.
I think we have progressed positively with the G11's version and
formulations, please let us not go back to the old version, reason being
that ICG members
are errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any
part of the proposal to NTIA is with each of the communities.
In addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the
minor edits and remove some redundant words and paragraphs like:
1. Purpose:
" Laison " should read 'Liaison' in the second paragraph.
2. Individual/Group Behavior and Norms:
Last paragraph 1st sentence should read :
Public commentsreceived
as a result ofany forum held by the ICG in relation to its activities
should be dulyconsideredand
carefully analyzed.
3. Last para in 4b after the bullet points should read
''Following these basic principles, thechair will beresponsible for
designatingeach ICG position
as oneof the
following;'
4. 4b under Recommendation
......cannot be reach-.... should read ....cannot be reached.......
The two paragraphs after the last bullet point are no longer necessary,
they should be deleted.
Safe trip everyone.
Mary Uduma
On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:09 AM, Mary Uduma <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com"><mnuduma@yahoo.com></a>
wrote:
OOOOsh!!!!
Sleeping and typing, hit the wrong botton.
Please ignore my last unfinished mail.
Mary
On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:07 AM, Mary Uduma <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com"><mnuduma@yahoo.com></a>
wrote:
Jari , Arasteh and All,
Kindly make it easier for us to follow. I was about to congratulate the
Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the
old version.
I think we have progressed positively with the G11's version, please let
us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members are
errand boys
of the communities. The power to object regarding any part of the
proposal to NTIA is with each communities.
In addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the
minor edits and remove some redundant words like:
On Saturday, September 6, 2014 11:21 PM, Jari Arkko
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net"><jari.arkko@piuha.net></a> wrote:
And in the after-the-meeting discussion I promised to send a link to the
IETF document that describes the rough consensus process. Here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282">http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a>
(for the purposes of the ICG decision process, the important bit is how
we deal with differing opinions, not the humming. so read it in that
light.)
Jari
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