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<div>No, I still have comments on this document. I hope to post in the next 24 hours. <br>
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On 11 Sep 2014, at 11:28, "Kavouss Arasteh" <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Wolf</div>
<div>I found another area which could be grammatically and structurally be improved</div>
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</font></span><font color="#000000">that the draft is available at least 7 calendar days before the date</font><span><font color="#000000">
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<div><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">This part is deleted since does not say any thing at all..I kept the remaining but replaced
</font><font color="#000000">justified minority views deviating from the recommendation can be separately expressed and documented in the report .</font></span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><font color="#000000">Based on that.,may I produced a clean text
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<div>Dear Wolf</div>
<div>May I now produce a clean document and send it to others for final comments notably of purely editorial and grammatical nature?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-11 8:34 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Thanks Kavouss, accepted.</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">As you can see attached I suggest to shift the text marked under “Recommendation” to the part where the evaluation method is described. Or at least separate it from the bullet points here.<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">
Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:37 AM</div>
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<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">
WUKnoben</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">
joseph alhadeff</a> ; <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">
Coordination Group</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">
Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">
Manal Ismail</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion</div>
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<div>Dear Wolf, </div>
<div>Thank you for your kind and prompt reply</div>
<div>I have made following amendments to your draft as follows:</div>
<div>Para. 4 a,second sub-para. second part of that sub-para ," is " is replaced by " should be "
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<div>Para. 4 b ,first bullet below sencond sub-para,</div>
<div>The part saying " Consensus here refers to" is replced by" The above-mentioned " due to the fact that the paragraph to which this bullet referred does not deal with " Consensus" rather it referred to " Decicion" .</div>
<div>In the same bullet the phrase" if needed may then be referred back to the relevant communities" is replaced by" which would be handled on a case by case basis " This was the overall agreemnt that G11 reached after the ICG meeting in Istanbul .</div>
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<div>As a matter of fact, I am not comfortable in using any adjective like "serious" or " firm" or "major" to describe opposition . However, to be more cooperative I could reluctantly agree to use the adjective " justified" as such opposition needs to be submitted
with necessary justifications .In that case the adjective " serious" is replaced by" justified " .</div>
<div>Moreover, in reviewing the text, I found some structural and content mistakes in para. c) ,second bullet which I have corrected
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<div>Finally Under the same section c) in bullet 3 ,I suggest we replace" example " by " option" to be consistent with the terms used in bullet 2 above .However, I leave it to you to agree with that change</div>
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<div>I hope you and others agree with these small edits </div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-10 21:53 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">attached please find my remaining amendments with the following explanations regarding some of them:</div>
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<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:12pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE" style="line-height:9pt"><span>4.b. insertion of an additional bullet point re principles (Manal) which I support</span></span></span></p>
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<span lang="FR-BE">Opportunity should not be given for <u>all</u> kinds of objection since the issue should have been discussed extensively in advance to the designation. The remaining objection should then be characterized as « serious ».</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:12pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE" style="line-height:9pt"><span><span lang="FR-BE">I would in particular be interested in the chair’s/VCs’ opinion regarding the case by case approach since they may want to facilitate the
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">
Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:14 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">
WUKnoben</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">
joseph alhadeff</a> ; <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">
Coordination Group</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">
Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">
Manal Ismail</a> </div>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion</div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Dear All ICG Members ,</font></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">I wish to refer to the draft that I sent to you on 08 September, taking into account views from Joseph and other relating to absentee’s comments emphasizing that chair and
vice chairs should identify other possible mechanism apart from the one mentioned in that draft</font></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">May I request you to kindly provide your comments in form of revision marks in the text and supporting arguments, if you so wish in the covering message.,</font></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">We need to finalize this text as soon as possible</font></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Once gain reference to Quorum and reference to Quantitative Majority or Minority have been deleted and the focus is made on consensus building with the utmost efforts</font></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">If not we should continue negotiations with a view to arrive at consensus.</font></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">However, if all efforts were /are exhausted, chair and vice chairs together with any other interested party/ties should explore all possible ways and means to identify an appropriate
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">One example and just one example to consider an sissue approved by consensus is provided .Other examples could equally be valid, according to the case under consideration,</font></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">( case by case concept)</font></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:14pt"><font face="Calibri">Waiting for your kind reply, I remain.</font></span></p>
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<div>Dear Wolf</div>
<div>I do my best but in any case I am not pushing for any thing</div>
<div>I expect good will and spirit of collaboartion from every one of us.</div>
<div>The 10 points is the results of the discussion we are facing with.</div>
<div>Evey one pushes for its own.</div>
<div>I am not pushing for any thing but I am not COMFORTABLE with those who wish that their ideas get into the draft word by word and coma by coma</div>
<div>You said quote</div>
<div>*We are all coming up with opinions and arguments which we expect to be taken into consideration"</div>
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<div>YES we need to take all view into consideration but we may not able to take all them into account since some of the views expressed conflict with other views</div>
<div>Then we need to negotiate and negotiation has two sides giving and getting.</div>
<div>I did not refer to any ICG commentimng on my views but I read the media quoting some thing from me which I never said that .</div>
<div>Please carefully read my text which referred to MEDIA AND NOT ICG. Perhaps I was not clear on that.</div>
<div>Now you are kindly requested to submit your views on the initial darft with revision marks knowing that we all need to be collaborative and mindful.</div>
<div>Regards</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-09 22:56 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">your perception of our discussion process simply does not meet it’s intention nor does it meet it’s performance. I have not seen any ICG member quoting you in the way you’re describing or accusing
you due to any argumentation. We are all coming up with opinions and arguments which we expect to be taken into consideration.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">The only real issue I have problems with is not the content of your arguments but the way you try to push them through. It looks like imperative postulations as the 10 bullets in your attached
email show. Those postulations do not admit counter-arguments and are not helpful for the discussion.</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">Myself and others spend a lot of time to enter upon your specific submissions and questions. I simply expect from you the same.<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">
Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 8:52 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">
WUKnoben</a> ; <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">
joseph alhadeff</a> ; <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">
Coordination Group</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">
Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">
Manal Ismail</a> </div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">It is surprising and astonishing that I was mistakenly and wrongly and unfairly quoted that to be against consensus</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That is an unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation and/or interpretation of what I have said or what I am thinking
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I am and have been and I will always be in favour of consensus</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That is a tradition and past and present and future practice.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I was also mistakenly and wrongly and unfairly quoted to opt for voting
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">That is also another unfounded, wrong and untrue quotation and/or interpretation of what I have said or what I am thinking
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">These are pure allegation and hostile positions</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Everybody who knows me is aware that I am always looking to find a compromise for any problem</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I therefore categorically and strongly reject such an interpretation wrongly made by media and by those who wish to give a wrong image of me.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Now coming to the second round of consensus building process initiated by me on 06 September after formal ICG meeting in G11 and now circulating within the entire
ICG</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The issue is not who is right and who is not right.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The issue is we have to negotiate and come to agreement or consensus.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Please therefore kindly not refer that X IS RIGHT or Y IS NOT RIGHT</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Some of you insisting that their views be accepted by others .That is not consensus building .That is dominating other’s views .</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Negotiation implies that we give something if we wish to get some thing</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">We cannot expect that we get everything without giving up some thing</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">The case by case approach that I propose is a workable approach since we still do not know which are
<span> </span>the subjects that we may agree or disagree .In one case we could have option x of arriving at consensus and in other case may be option Y to do so.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Let us avoid establishing rules upfront before dealing with an issue.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">ICG does not merely deal with technical issues such as those being dealt with by some operational communities as other operational communities have had different
mechanism to achieve consensus</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Consequently,:</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">1. be ready to be negotiable, and tolerable
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">2. agree to the case by case concept</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">3. agree to limit the inclusion of one possible example as already included and not give another example rather take approach of some of you proposing that chair
and vice chairs shall make their utmost efforts to explore way and means in finding appropriate mechanism to achieve consensus or to reach consensus ,on a case by case</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">4. agree not to refer to quorum</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">5.agree not to refer to simple minority</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">6.agree not to refer to rough or soft consensus</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">7.agree to refer to the possibility of absentees ICG members to make comments
<span> </span>when other ICG considering an issue for decision making </span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">8.agree that chair ,in consultation with vice chair opt for some sort of temperature measuring process to find out the sense and9or direction or trend of the ICG
mood in discussing issues</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">9.agree that if the essence of your view points is taken not insisting for the full text that you have proposed.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">10. maintain and practice the spirit of collaboration and cooperation and be ready to negotiate and join consensus</span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">TKS</span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">KAVOUSS
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-09 19:56 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Dear Wolf</div>
<div>Dear Joe</div>
<div>Dear all,</div>
<div>Please be fair with me.</div>
<div>I have taken the essence and thrust of Joe, s proposal relating to absentees of members at ICG meeting in two circumstances as he described and I took his proposal relating yo exploring all other possible options than the one I put in the draft</div>
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<div>Kavouss <br>
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Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On 9 Sep 2014, at 17:17, "WUKnoben" <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Joe,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">you’re right. I’ve seen some of your edits taken by Kavouss in a condensed form but not all of them.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">Certainly you should be given the opportunity to comment on this revision again.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt"><br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
Wolf-Ulrich<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">
joseph alhadeff</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:16 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">
internal-cg@icann.org</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion</div>
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Wolf:<br>
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I had added some language on decisions where parties are not present in the comments I had made to the last round as a reflection of our conversation and replacement of the concept of quorum.<br>
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Joe<br>
<div>On 9/9/2014 5:20 AM, WUKnoben wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear Heather,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">I attach</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">- the version presented at the Istanbul meeting</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">- the version amended by Kavouss based on the discussion after the meeting</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">- my amendments/comments to this</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">I hope it helps understanding our status of discussion.<br>
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Best regards<br>
<br>
Wolf-Ulrich<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca" href="mailto:Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca" target="_blank">
Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 08, 2014 9:53 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">
wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a> ; <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">
kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="Internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">
Internal-cg@icann.org</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion</div>
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<font style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thank you Wolf-Ulrich. Unfortunately, I missed the discussion group that met after the ICG meetings concluded so I appreciate having a copy of the latest version of the consensus
document and the chance to compare and consider its contents before finalizing the document on the Sep. 17 call.<br>
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Heather<br>
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<font style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>: WUKnoben [<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>]
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<b>Sent</b>: Monday, September 08, 2014 09:41 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: Kavouss Arasteh <a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">
mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a> <br>
<b>Cc</b>: Coordination Group <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">
mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org</a> <br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion <br>
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<div>All,</div>
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<div>let me first say that the discussion in the after-meeting-session (“G11”) was helpful for better understanding as well as moving ahead towards an agreement about the consensus building process. Thanks again to Manal to sum up the essential points made.
And thanks to Kavouss as the G11 coordinator.</div>
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<div>As it deemed to be necessary and for fairness reasons I’ve made a comparison between the document version which has been on the table when we cut the discussion last Saturday and the last one Kavouss has edited.</div>
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<div>Please find the result attached. As we agreed to Patriks proposal to use a significant part of the next call on 17 Sep to (finally) discuss the process it should be diligently prepared.</div>
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Best regards<br>
<br>
Wolf-Ulrich<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">
Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 08, 2014 4:42 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">
WUKnoben</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">
Manal Ismail</a> ; <a title="mnuduma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">
Mary Uduma</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">
Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="Internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">
Coordination Group</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion</div>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>I have considered and to a great extent taken into account all of your comments</div>
<div>I therefore created a clean version called V1 after 08 Sept.</div>
<div>Please consider this clean version and</div>
<div>1 make any editorial /language improvement</div>
<div>2 make minimum changes as we may not finish if we start again to redraft.</div>
<div>There is a requirement that first and foremost every body feel comfortable then at least every body equally uncomfortable .</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-08 15:51 GMT+02:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>And thanks to Manal for this very good summary!</div>
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Best regards<br>
<br>
Wolf-Ulrich<br>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">
Manal Ismail</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 1:29 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mnuduma@yahoo.com" href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com" target="_blank">
Mary Uduma</a> ; <a title="jari.arkko@piuha.net" href="mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net" target="_blank">
Jari Arkko</a> ; <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">
Kavouss Arasteh</a> </div>
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<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">
ICG</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">As one of those who have attended the ‘consensus building’ discussion during the coffee break after the meeting, allow me to clarify that more than 10
ICG members joined the discussion and almost everyone agreed that:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Utmost efforts should be exerted to reach consensus ..</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Not reaching consensus would weaken the proposal submitted to the NTIA</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">A situation where one person can block the whole process should be avoided</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Minority views, no matter how few, should be evaluated qualitatively (based on the merit of the objections) not quantitatively (based
on the number of objections) </span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Consensus here refers to decisions related to the handling and assembling of submitted proposals not decisions related to approval/disapproval
of content of the proposals (which if needed may then be referred back to the relevant communities)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">ICG members who were present agreed in principle on the proposal suggested by Mr Arasteh, which basically:</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Stresses the need for reaching consensus</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Delete the controversial minority/quorum part of the text from this part</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Defer decision on how to handle the unlikely situation of not being able to reach a consensus way forward, to be decided upon on
a case by case basis</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>-<span>
</span></span></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">List examples of alternative means that ICG may choose to follow .. this includes the text on minority as well as the IETF document,
circulated by Jari, that describes the rough consensus process, particularly how to deal with different opinions</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">So apologies to those who were not in the room and did not have the chance to attend ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hope this summary, subject to corrections or additions by other present colleagues, provides the necessary background to put us all on the same page ..</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thanks to Mr Arasteh for the suggested text and to all ICG members who were present for the constructive exchange ..</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal
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<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Uduma<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jari Arkko; Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ICG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Jari , Arasteh and All,</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Kindly make it easier for us to follow the trend of discussions with correct documents. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members
when Alice's mail came in with the old version of the document. It is a bit confusing.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">I think we have progressed positively with the G11's version and formulations, please let us not go back to the old version, reason being that ICG members
are errand boys of the communities. The power to object regarding any part of the proposal to NTIA is with each of the communities.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">In addition, the version looks balanced, what is left will be to do the minor edits and remove some redundant words and paragraphs like:</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br>
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<span>" Laison " should read 'Liaison' in the second paragraph.</span><br>
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<span>2. Individual/Group Behavior and Norms:</span><br>
<span>Last paragraph 1st sentence should read : </span><br>
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as</span> a <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">result</span> of<span style="letter-spacing:0.05pt">
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</span>of<span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt"> </span>the <span style="letter-spacing:-0.05pt">
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</span><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">4. 4b under Recommendation</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
<span>......cannot be reach-.... should read ....cannot be reached.......</span><br>
<span>The two paragraphs after the last bullet point are no longer necessary, they should be deleted.
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</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Safe trip everyone.</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"><br>
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Mary Uduma<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Kindly make it easier for us to follow. I was about to congratulate the Group of 11 (G11) and all ICG members when Alice's mail came in with the old version.</span></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"></span></p>
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