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</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Dear Paul,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Thank you very much for reply</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">The message is clear but I can further
explain it</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">You have witnessed that I am among the
most active GAC ICG and among the most active members of ICG</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">out of 700 messages exchanged ,more
thins 300 emanated from me</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I spent and invested time and efforts to
contribute to the process</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt"> After ICG 06 September closure
time, 11 ICG members got together to find solution for the consensus document.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">After some discussions , I proposed a
compromise so as not to be very specific but to leave the door open for
sensitive issues based on their merits and under circumstances they are /will
be discussed</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I therefore proposed to remove all
sensitive issues such as Quorum, Voting on specific subject matter,
Quantitative Majority and Minority, and also removing qualitative adjectives
for describing majority, minority, oppositions agreement but address the matter
in a general <span> </span>manner/approach including
direct reference to "case by case concept".</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">The compromise solution was unanimously
agreed upon</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">In return to my room on that date I
revised the Consensus building document based on those principles and sent it
to all.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">On 07 September, I made some purely
editorial amendments and resent it again to all ICG members</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I received comments from few colleagues
( Marry, Joe, Wolf ,Jari , Manal and few others.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I implemented all those suggestions.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I then sent out a clean version to everybody.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">One or two ICG persons who neither were
present at ICG meeting nor at that G11 ,put in question those principle which
is normally practiced in all international meetings</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">While I fully recognized the legitimate
right of each and every ICG member to freely express and submit their view
points, I am not comfortable that those colleagues bring us back to square one
and pushing to impose their views which were the origin of all these
disagreement.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Dear All,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">This sort of reaction is neither <span> </span>productive nor constructive</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">If someone pushes for its own views and
brings us back to square one we never be able to discuss that consensus
building document on 17September at conference call established for this
purpose </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Today is 12 September, Saturday and Sunday
are off .We have therefore only Monday and .as on Tuesday 16 we have to warp up</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I am not optimistic to reach any
agreement at that conference call because most of the time the floor is
occupied by very few persons ,in particular, by <span> </span>one person who <span> </span>acts as spokesman of God and acts as the Judge
or the Master of everybody.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">I hope this explanation is satisfactory
and properly replied to your views</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">During the last months ( from 17 Jul
till now) only representative from one <span> </span>operational community pushed that their
community views shall prevail.The language used in all text mostly coming from
that community ,the consensus building approach initially proposed is also
coming from that community. In fact it is legitimate that someone begins to
propose something but the problem is that one should not insist to impose the
views of that community to the others .We should not listen to our own views
but listen to everybody views and be ready to negotiate and compromise . . </span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Regards</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Kavouss
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</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-11 23:59 GMT+02:00 Paul Wilson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pwilson@apnic.net" target="_blank">pwilson@apnic.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Kavouss,<br>
<br>
my apologies but I do not entirely understand your email, especially the first part. Maybe is was not complete when you sent it?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 12 Sep 2014, at 5:43 am, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear All,<br>
> G11 after the formal closure of ICG met and agreed on some principles<br>
> I did implement those priciples several colleagues like Wolf, Jari ,Manal commented<br>
> Those comments were implemented.<br>
> Some editorial and corrections were also made.<br>
> Martin wanted more time.<br>
> However, all of a sudden another ICG totally up side down the process and disagee with the basic principle that was almost agreed i.e. case by case.approach<br>
> This sort of reaction is not productive nor constructive<br>
> If someone pushes for its own views and bring us bacjk to square one we never be able to discuss that consensus building document on 17<br>
> Tomorrow is 12 ,Saturday and Suday are off We have only Monday and on Tuesday 16 WE HAVE TO WARP UP.<br>
> Regards<br>
> Kavouss<br>
><br>
> 2014-09-11 17:12 GMT+02:00 <<a href="mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de">Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de</a>>:<br>
> Milton, cherry- picking should be not permitted - by consensus!😉<br>
><br>
> Wolf-Ulrich<br>
><br>
> Sent from my personal phone<br>
><br>
> > Am 11.09.2014 um 17:05 schrieb Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>>:<br>
> ><br>
> > Ah, the "consensus" document. Luckily for me I will be on airplanes that whole time on the 17th ;-)<br>
> ><br>
> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >> From: Patrik Fältström [mailto:<a href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se">paf@frobbit.se</a>]<br>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:37 AM<br>
> >> To: Milton L Mueller<br>
> >> Cc: ICG<br>
> >> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences<br>
> >><br>
> >> Milton,<br>
> >><br>
> >> I think we can only have one topic per call, and we definitely need one call on<br>
> >> the 17th for the consensus document. Whether we need the 2nd is something<br>
> >> we can discuss when we are say one week away from that call -- at which time it<br>
> >> can be cancelled.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Patrik<br>
> >><br>
> >>> On 11 Sep 2014, at 15:32, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I am not sure why we need two of these calls.<br>
> >>> Wouldn't one do? We just had a meeting and we will have another one in LA.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >>>> From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> >>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<br>
> >>>> On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström<br>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:09 AM<br>
> >>>> To: ICG<br>
> >>>> Subject: [Internal-cg] Doodle poll for two (2) telephone conferences<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> All,<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Here is the Doodle poll that I promised that is about the two next<br>
> >>>> telephone calls before our meeting in Los Angeles.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> As agreed, the first is around 20:00 UTC on Sep 17, and the 2nd<br>
> >>>> around 04:00 UTC on Oct 1.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> The first is in fact the earliest starting at 20:00 as the<br>
> >>>> interpreters for FR is having another call until 20:00, so we can not start<br>
> >> earlier than 20:00.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Please mark your availability with "yes"/"maybe"/"no" at the<br>
> >>>> following web<br>
> >>>> page:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> <<a href="http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56" target="_blank">http://doodle.com/3xuuv4vawv5hrn56</a>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Responses no later than 23:59 UTC on Monday Sep 15.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Patrik Fältström<br>
> ><br>
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