<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Martin,</div><div>Gradually we are walking towards each other.</div><div>We are now much closer than before.</div><div>One thing that I noticed in your mail is the following:</div><div>Your reply in this message is </div><div>Quote</div><div><br></div><div>1. " <font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3">I would count all of the GAC reps voting against as a significant minority. Or ALAC + ICC-BASIS might be a significant minority " </font></div><div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3">Unqoute</font></div><div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3">If your views that "all of the GAC reps voting against as a significant minority. Or ALAC + ICC-BASIS might be a significant minority " Thus the above-mentioned groups( GAC members in toto or ALAC+ ICC-BASIS ) , if either of the two objects to an issue their objections ( objection of GAC or objection of ALAC+ICC-BASIS) WILL NOT BE are not considered AS minority objection but significant objection ,then I agree with you provided that all ICG MEMEBRS CONFIRM THAT UNDERSTANDING</font></div><div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3">2.Moreover, ,I still wish to clearly refer to Case by case approach in the text.</font></div><div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3">Please while assuring me of agreement of all ICGmembers to our ( both of us ) undertanding of SIGNIFICAN MINORITY, point me towards the area in which your text refrred to case by case approach/concept</font></div><div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3">And I thank you very much for that</font></div><div><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3">Kavouss </font> </div><div>becoming </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-12 17:35 GMT+02:00 Martin Boyle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk" target="_blank">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Dear Kavouss,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I just edited to try to remove the problems I had with the draft, which was what you asked me to do.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I did not try to describe what a small minority might be. But, unqualified, a minority for this group means 14 people not agreeing: the term needs to be qualified.
How: I am not sure I’d want to define this up front. But I would note that I would count all of the GAC reps voting against as a significant minority. Or ALAC + ICC-BASIS might be a significant minority if the issue was one that affected end users. It’s
the other side of my point that the operational communities need to be comfortable with the bits that affect their service from the IANA operator.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">It is also associated with my antipathy to voting. Voting is a blunt tool: we need to consider the consequences that we have just ignored someone, or a small
group of people. Hence we should not go there until we understand what we are dealing with. I’m not going to be drawn.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">The bit you quote (“The decisions addressed in this section relate to the handling and assembling of submitted proposal(s)”) is actually the first bullet in
4.b. Alissa picked this up, but she explained why “above-mentioned” was not helpful and suggested wording. It clarifies that we are dealing with “all other decisions.” The section is 4.b., which could, if you want to be pedantic about it, be put in brackets
after the word “section.” My amendment was to replace the word “disapproval” (which is not the opposite of approval in this case) with rejection. The point (as I understood the intention of the original text) was that the ICG does not have the role of rejecting
proposals because of the content, something that Manal picked up. This is an important point, so one I want to make sure is crystal clear.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">What do we turn down? I think it might be because the process was flawed (it was not an inclusive process or there was a lot of opposition) or because it really
won’t work. Again I’m not sure I see value in trying to enumerate the reasons – won’t we know it when we see it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">While looking for the text you wanted me to clarify, I noticed a typo in 4.c. 2<sup>nd</sup> bullet (recommendation): in the text I added I typed shd when
I should have typed should! I’ll update the text in drop box.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Martin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 12 September 2014 14:20</span><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Boyle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alissa Cooper; Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You took your British pen and proposed a British style new version with which I have no major problem ( BY THE WAY WHAT IS MAJOR ,I DO NOT TELL YOU, SINCE YOU DIS NOT DESCRIBE WHAT IS SMALL MINORITY ).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, As I explained many times I would like you kindly describe what is small minority .Until the time that this question is not answered, I have serious difficulties to accept such a vague term due to the fact that it would turned
against a particular group if other groups decide to penalize that group<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PLEASE KINDLY EXPLAIN QUANTITATIVELY OR GROUPWISE WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SMALL MINORITY<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">how many members out of 30 or how many communities out of 13 communities that was described in one output message ?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Secondly under second bullet relating to Recommandation, it is indicated<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>"The <span style="color:black">decisions addressed in this section
</span><a name="1486a80f65715352__msoanchor_1"></a><a><span lang="FR-BE" style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-size:8pt">[AC1]</span></a><span lang="FR-BE" style="font-size:8pt"> </span>relate
to the handling and assembling of submitted proposal(s) AND NOT DECISIONS TO APPROVAL /REJECTION OF CONTENT OF THE PROPOSAL RELATED"<u></u><u></u></p>
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<u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol;font-size:10pt"><span>·<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><u></u>Unquote<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>Please kindly explain WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "The <span style="color:black">
decisions addressed in this section"</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>WHAT ARE THE NATURE OF THOSE DECISIOS?<br>
ire they dealing with sending the final proposal to NTIA?<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>if NOT WHAT THEY ARE?<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>Then please advise how and what approach will be used for cases DECISIONS TO be made for APPROVAL /REJECTION OF CONTENT OF THE PROPOSAL RELATED"?
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</span></span></span><u></u>What are those cases<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>I am sorry the whole document is vague, unclear and ambigeous<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>Please use your nice pencil /pen and properly and convincingly reply to my question<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>Kavouss <u></u><u></u></p>
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<a name="1486a80f65715352__msocom_1"></a><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:8pt"> </span><span style="font-size:8pt"><a><span style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[AC1]</span></a></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Both
types of decisions are « above » -- but here we’re only focusing on Section 4(b) decisions.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a name="1486a80f65715352__msocom_2"></a><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:8pt"> </span><span style="font-size:8pt"><a><span style="color:rgb(0,102,204);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[AC2]</span></a></span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
believe Manal’s point here, which I think is critical, is that we will not be making decisions about proposal content. So, we should not say that we will be handling those decisions on a case-by-case basis, because we will not be handling them at all.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2014-09-12 14:15 GMT+02:00 Martin Boyle <<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk" target="_blank">Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thank you Kavouss. As requested, I have made specific drafting suggestions on the latest draft in
drop box (although there was also a suggestion from Joe in a separate drafting thread where I have a slightly different line from him). I have left the comments in place as I think it is important that colleagues understand why I have concerns.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I have not tried to change the filename: as Alissa pointed out in her mail, this should wait for
a new clean draft to avoid causing confusion.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Cheers</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Arasteh [mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 11 September 2014 21:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Boyle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alissa Cooper; Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Martin</span><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I agree with most of the things that you said.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">However, it might be useful that you suggest a revision marked text and move all of your comments to the covering.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">It seems that at least I have sympathy for many of your thoughts but prefer to see your text possibly not coming back to square one. No one believes that anyone else
should be excluded. A team work means everybody should be given the opportunity to comment.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">What bothers me is that some people want to restrict the process to only three operational communities .While we agree that their interest should be met but we want to
give opportunity to others </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I am happy that you also agree to maintain the case by case approach.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Waiting your editorial and other sort of amendment in a revision mark approach not introducing square bracket and comments in the margin</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">SUGGEST CONCRETE AMENDMENTS and give the name to the file as you wish</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">However, I wish to reiterate that I would have serious difficulties if one focus on a particular case or particular community or the language and approach used by a particular
community</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">We need to be general and cover every body's case
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Regards</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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